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[narrator] Lizzie Borden,
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the most famous female
ax murderer of all time.
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♪ Lizzie Borden took an ax ♪
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♪ And gave her mother
40 whacks ♪
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[screams]
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[narrator] In 1892,
she was accused of hacking
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her father and stepmother
to death with a hatchet.
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Now, 129 years later,
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for the first time ever,
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four paranormal experts
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gather to investigate
a dark family secret.
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[Chris] What the...
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Lizzie's present too,
but she's waiting.
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[Sam] She is, she's watching.
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[narrator] Rumors of black
magic, the occult, and a dark force
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that will forever haunt
generations in life,
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[grunts]
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And in death.
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It's hovering
above me right now.
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[disembodied voice speaking]
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Oh, my God.
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Did you hear that?
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[narrator] Beware
the curse of Lizzie Borden.
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[narrator] I first heard about
the curse of Lizzie Borden
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in the winter of 2021.
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Rumors that a dark force,
a demonic energy...
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- [thump]
- [Dave] Are you hearing that?
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Something is knocking on
the underside of the table,
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moving around us.
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[narrator] ...had been
following
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the Borden family
for generations.
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[Chris] I think Lizzie's
present too, she's waiting.
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[Dave] She is, she's watching.
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[objects clattering]
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You okay Dave? Yeah, I don't
know what's going on there, buddy.
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[Chris] It's her, just relax.
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Are you choosing Dave?
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[narrator] I gathered
together a group of experts
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to conduct one of the most
dangerous paranormal rituals,
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a seance in the house.
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[Chris] Just trust me, Dave,
it's okay.
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No, I don't want to let go.
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[narrator] To get to the
bottom of the family curse.
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Trust me, Dave, okay?
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[narrator] Chris Fleming, a renowned
psychic medium, will lead the seance.
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Take the pen.
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[narrator] His job?
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To keep us safe
from dark forces.
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Luann Joly,
a local paranormal expert,
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who has investigated
the house countless times.
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[Chris] Who are you?
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[narrator] And finally,
Sam Baltrusis.
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Sam is a direct
descendant of Lizzie,
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who believes his family has
been cursed for generations.
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Okay, I don't have control of
my arm and I don't like this at all.
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- [Chris] I know that, Dave, trust me.
- [Luann] You're okay.
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Just pulled into the infamous
Lizzie Borden murder house.
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It's been almost a decade
since I was here,
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and it's the stuff
of nightmares.
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[narrator] Disembodied voices,
and cries in the night,
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footsteps falling
throughout the entire house.
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I mean, this house
is clearly haunted.
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It's been investigated
hundreds of times, but...
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this is the first time
that we're going to take on
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the Lizzie Borden curse.
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Could there be
a Borden family curse?
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And was Lizzie a victim?
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Did an evil entity
take possession of her body
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and turn her into
a cold blooded killer?
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[screams]
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Can the curse be broken?
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Hopefully we'll get those
answers during the next few days.
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[narrator] It all began on the
morning of August 4th, 1892,
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when Fall River
Massachusetts police
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were called to investigate
a murder
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at the home of
respected businessman,
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Andrew Borden, Lizzie's father.
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[footsteps]
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[camera shutter clicking]
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[narrator] It was
a gruesome scene.
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[narrator] Andrew's face had been
bludgeoned 11 times with a hatchet.
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The corpse, still bleeding,
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suggesting that he had been
murdered within the hour.
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His nose had been completely
severed from his face.
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His eyeball left
dangling on his cheekbone.
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The bloody scene
continued upstairs,
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where Andrew's wife,
Abby Borden,
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stepmother to Lizzie
and Emma Borden,
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was found lying face
down in a pool of blood,
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her head smashed to pieces.
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Of the two murders,
Abby's was far more gruesome,
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with 18 savage hacks
delivered to her head.
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Only Lizzie and the Bordens' maid
were home at the time of the attacks.
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Lizzie's responses to police
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were at times
strange and contradictory,
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and she was immediately
considered the main suspect.
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You know, I didn't come
here to solve a crime.
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I didn't come here
to put the thumbtack
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in the final analysis
of the Lizzie Borden case.
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We came here to understand,
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could there be a dark force
at work,
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feeding off the tortured,
fractured souls
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that were left behind
by the Borden family?
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Luann. Well, thanks
a lot for coming back.
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- Shall we get started?
- Definitely.
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Great, let me give you a hand.
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[narrator] Luann Joly has had
some strange experiences
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in the Borden house.
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She's even
collected audio recordings
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she believes are directly
from Lizzie herself.
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[Dave] This is a...
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I gotta tell ya, this is weird.
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And I go into a lot
of haunted locations.
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This place left
an indelible mark on me,
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just walking back in,
already I get this
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kind of apprehension feeling
in the middle of my chest.
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Can't say it's fear, but it's
definitely uncomfortable.
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I mean, you've been
here three or four times.
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What are you picking,
just walking back in again?
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It's a very intimidating house.
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And every time I walk in here,
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I feel it emotionally
and physically.
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It's heavy.
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[narrator] Could
we already be feeling
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the dark energy
from the family curse?
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Before investigating the house,
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let's go over
the murder suspects.
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[narrator] The Lizzie Borden trial
was the O.J. Simpson case of its day.
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Everyone talked about this,
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but in fact, Lizzie Borden was
eventually acquitted of these murders.
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The petite, devout,
and devoted daughter,
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could never have wielded
a heavy hatchet,
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decimating half of Andrew's face
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and pulverizing an equal
portion of Abby's skull.
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Or could she?
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[Dave] This definitely
seems like it would be
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a case of something
with passion,
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meaning this killer was
connected to the family somehow.
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[narrator] And if not Lizzie,
then who?
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Lizzie's sister Emma
was out of town that day,
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but Lizzie and Emma's uncle,
John Morse,
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was visiting the family
and claimed he left
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before the murders took place.
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He was ruled out as a suspect
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after he provided
an overly detailed alibi.
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There were rumors
Morse dabbled in the occult,
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and even allegations of
witchcraft in his lineage,
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dating back to the late 1600s.
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Could he be the origin
of the Borden family curse?
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Did he conjure and bring a
dark force into the Borden home?
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Or was he himself possessed
by demonic energies
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that drove him to commit murder?
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One thing's for sure,
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John Morse was strong
enough to wield the weapon,
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and he knew how to use it.
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[Luann] He was a butcher.
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And a butcher did
also carry something
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very similar to an ax.
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[Dave] Or was it someone else?
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Who are some of our
other eligible suspects?
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What do we know about
Bridget, the housekeeper?
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[Luann] Bridget wasn't feeling
well that day
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and ended up going
upstairs and laying down,
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when the murders
actually happened.
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[Dave] Bridget was rumored
to be quite protective of Lizzie.
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So was there an injustice
that she witnessed in that house
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that sparked
this murderous rage?
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[Luann] She's present in the
house and didn't hear a thing?
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[screams]
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But we're looking at it again
from a logical perspective,
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of here's a crime, here's a
perpetrator, here's how it's done.
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We're not taking in,
or maybe most of the world
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isn't taking in the possibility
of a paranormal effect.
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[narrator] It's time to investigate
the presence of a dark force.
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And I think we're gonna definitely
need some help from somebody else.
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I know the guy I might
have to call in for this,
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somebody that is a little
bit more in tune to that side.
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[narrator] Chris Fleming has been
a psychic medium for over 25 years.
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If anyone can get
in touch and connect
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with the spirits or
demonic force in this house,
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and get to the bottom of the
Lizzie Borden family curse,
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I know Chris Fleming is the guy.
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We both had
traumatic experiences here.
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Lizzie, of course, is the
main focus of this house,
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but I don't know exactly
what we're dealing with,
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and how much of it
is projected from her
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- Mm-hmm.
- or something projecting through her.
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And that's why I thought
I could use your expertise.
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You've had experiences with the
demonic and very malevolent ghosts.
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Are you ready to do this again?
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I've been wanting to come back
here for 10 years.
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[Dave] All right, well,
we got a big job ahead of us.
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I say we investigate it,
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and see if we can
break down some answers.
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Luann Joly,
this is Chris Fleming.
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- Hi, very nice to meet you.
- So nice to meet you.
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Thank you. Dave told me a
little bit about your situation,
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but I'm interested in hearing
what you've been going through.
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I feel like Lizzie somehow
wants to communicate with me,
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- Okay.
- but there are so many other spirits in the house,
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that it can be
difficult for her,
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and sometimes they're violent.
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They are very verbal
in this house.
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[narrator] Knowing that there may
be a powerful malevolent force here,
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it's time to bring in
Sam Baltrusis.
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He's the one person
who has a unique connection
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to both the Borden murder house
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and the dark energy it holds.
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Hey, guys.
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- I've got a special guest who's gonna join us.
- How are you?
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Sam, if you'd like
to have a seat.
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Sam Baltrusis is a author.
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He's written over
13 different books,
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and he is actually related
to the Borden family.
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[Sam] I've always been drawn
to the Lizzie Borden case,
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but it wasn't until my mother did genealogical
research on her paternal family line,
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that we discovered that I'm
twice related to the Bordens,
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with connections going back to several
families from 17th century New England.
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Now that I know that I'm
connected to the Borden family
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and to a lot of crimes
that are horrific,
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my mission in life is to
try to find some solution
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to help these people heal
in the afterlife.
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[Dave] All right, so here's
the game plan for tonight.
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Sam will be rejoining
us tomorrow for the seance,
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but in the meantime,
Chris and Luann,
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let's do a baseline sweep
of the house.
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I'm gonna sit at base camp and
keep an eye on the entire investigation.
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I'd really like you to go
along with Luann and observe.
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Run your own recorder,
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- Okay.
- and see if you're able to get any
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corroborating
evidence with hers.
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Luann, you do what you
do best, run your recorder.
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See if Lizzie or any of the
other spirits of this house
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are ready to come
out and talk tonight.
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I'm gonna sit here
and observe from base camp,
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but I want you
to both be careful.
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You're both sensitive,
you're both open,
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and it obviously can affect
you physically and mentally.
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We'll gather what tools
you'd like to take up.
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Let's see what
we can get tonight,
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and what the spirits
have to share with us.
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Be careful, let's go lights out.
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We have the entire house rigged.
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We've got GoPros, we've
got night vision cameras.
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We've got security cameras
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covering just about
every inch of this house.
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If something happens,
we're gonna catch it.
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[Chris] All right, Dave,
see you in a bit.
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[Dave] All right, be safe.
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[Chris] Luann,
I'm gonna follow behind you.
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[Luann] Okay. Good idea.
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[Chris] Luann, when
I was here 10 years ago,
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I just want to tell
you this real quickly,
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I was standing just
outside this hallway,
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and I said,
"Did you do it, who did it?"
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[woman's voice speaking]
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[Chris] Holy [bleep].
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Did you just hear that?
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And I heard
what I believe sounds,
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a woman saying,
"It wasn't me."
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It was coming
from here in this area.
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[Luann] Wow.
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[narrator] They're now entering
the Abby Borden murder room
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where Abby's body was found
bludgeoned next to the bed.
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[Luann on camera] This area
right here
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is where you get
really disoriented,
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and you get
that funhouse feeling.
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You kind of don't feel
so good all of a sudden.
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[narrator] Luann is clearly
affected by something in that room.
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[Chris on camera] Let's try
something, all right?
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I'm going to record,
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Abby Borden,
are you here with us?
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See how that just beeped
louder when I said something?
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Chris is utilizing the Geiger
counter as a form of ITC,
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trying to communicate
and have the spirits
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influence the energy around
it, in different patterns.
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Once for yes, twice for no,
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asking questions
and holding up fingers
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to see how many
beeps it will give.
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[Chris on camera] Abby, can
you beep four times in a row?
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[four beeps]
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[Chris] It just hit four!
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It just went beep, beep, beep,
beep in a sequence of four.
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I have never seen that.
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00:15:18,283 --> 00:15:19,984
[Chris on camera]
I'll do a quick EVP here.
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Go ahead.
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[Luann on camera] Lizzie, do
you have anything to tell us?
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[on EVP recording] Do you have
anything to tell us?
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[Chris] Ooh, listen to that.
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There is something there.
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[Luann on camera] Do you have
anything to tell us?
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[Chris] I'm here.
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She said, "I'm here?"
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[Luann] Yeah.
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[Chris] Dave, this is key.
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[Dave] Yeah, I could hear you from
down here. The EVP was really clear.
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-[Chris on radio] You heard it?
-[Dave on radio] Yes,
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stick with it, keep going,
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you've got something
intelligent responding. Get it.
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[Chris] Okay, let's have
some more questions.
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Let's go on to the other rooms.
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Chris is getting
some unique... communication.
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Appears to be intelligent
in the way
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that it's trying
to make itself known.
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00:16:11,270 --> 00:16:13,938
Okay, now they're in
Lizzie Borden's bedroom.
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[Chris] Go ahead
and ask a question, Luann.
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[Luann] Lizzie,
are you here with us?
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[rustling sound]
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Did you hear that?
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Like from this wall, um...
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But that was like direct voice
phenomenon, that wasn't EVP.
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00:16:39,164 --> 00:16:40,732
What's on the opposite side
of this room?
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[Luann] Um...
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00:16:50,842 --> 00:16:53,310
[Chris] Okay, wait a minute,
this is the Borden, the, the...
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- Andrew Borden's room though...
- Right here, right?
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[Luann] Yes.
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00:16:57,183 --> 00:16:59,584
[Chris] I had an experience
here, but I want you
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to tell me if you've had
any experiences over here.
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00:17:02,255 --> 00:17:03,654
[Luann] Okay.
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00:17:03,722 --> 00:17:05,189
[Chris] When I was
here 11 years ago,
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we came through here and
we smelled, like, rotting flesh.
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Like, just, it was horrific.
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00:17:10,662 --> 00:17:12,930
It makes sense
when I was told later
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that one of the bodies
were laid down
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on the dining room table
for a while,
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00:17:17,602 --> 00:17:19,470
so the whole house stunk.
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00:17:19,538 --> 00:17:21,405
So that would make
sense that this house
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probably reeked
of rotting flesh.
331
00:17:25,877 --> 00:17:30,347
Uh, and I just saw,
it was almost like a child,
332
00:17:30,349 --> 00:17:33,584
a little girl that was standing right
here for a second and then vanished.
333
00:17:34,553 --> 00:17:35,653
Um, let me ask.
334
00:17:36,822 --> 00:17:39,223
Was there a little girl
that was just standing here?
335
00:17:43,362 --> 00:17:44,796
I know I saw you.
336
00:17:47,933 --> 00:17:49,400
Speak to me please.
337
00:17:51,770 --> 00:17:52,870
What is your name?
338
00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,510
What... What I saw as...
I was talking to Luann,
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00:17:59,578 --> 00:18:02,580
saw something, corner
of my eyes and as I looked,
340
00:18:02,647 --> 00:18:04,515
it was about this tall,
341
00:18:04,517 --> 00:18:07,251
but it was on this step
or the next step,
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00:18:07,253 --> 00:18:10,754
like a little girl standing
right here for a few seconds
343
00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:12,824
and then just vanished, gone.
344
00:18:12,891 --> 00:18:15,359
So obviously it was coming
into the room
345
00:18:15,361 --> 00:18:17,828
or standing outside to watch
what we were doing.
346
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:19,297
It was curious
what we were discussing.
347
00:18:21,166 --> 00:18:23,468
How many spirits
are in this house?
348
00:18:27,306 --> 00:18:30,007
[Luann on recording] How many
spirits are in this house?
349
00:18:32,444 --> 00:18:33,777
What the...
350
00:18:33,779 --> 00:18:34,946
[Dave on radio] Whoa,
was that a growl?
351
00:18:39,718 --> 00:18:41,252
- [bleep].
- Wow.
352
00:18:46,625 --> 00:18:49,627
[Dave on radio] Wow, that
sounded like a demonic growl,
353
00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:52,096
It's as if we angered something.
354
00:18:52,131 --> 00:18:53,264
Let's keep going.
355
00:18:54,533 --> 00:18:56,033
We've got limited time
in that room,
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00:18:56,101 --> 00:18:58,169
and I would like you to try
to hit the upstairs room
357
00:18:58,236 --> 00:18:59,737
at least for a few minutes.
358
00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:03,374
[Chris] Now I've never been
upstairs.
359
00:19:03,441 --> 00:19:04,842
- [Luann] You haven't?
- [Chris] No.
360
00:19:09,314 --> 00:19:11,249
- [Luann] This room...
- [Chris] I remember this room.
361
00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:14,452
[Luann] ...seems to
have a lot of activity in it.
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00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:17,655
[narrator] They're now heading up to
the attic, to one of the maid's rooms,
363
00:19:17,722 --> 00:19:20,391
known to be
a paranormal hotspot.
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00:19:20,458 --> 00:19:21,993
[Luann on radio] Well...
365
00:19:22,060 --> 00:19:26,931
- [sighs] - if you lay on the
bed, lay across it sideways,
366
00:19:26,998 --> 00:19:31,402
lay on the bed with your legs
hanging open, over the edge.
367
00:19:31,404 --> 00:19:35,005
- Okay.
- And something will grab your legs,
368
00:19:35,007 --> 00:19:37,808
or it will lift them up,
I've seen both.
369
00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:39,743
[Chris] So there was somebody
pulled underneath the bed?
370
00:19:39,745 --> 00:19:40,811
[Luann] Yes.
371
00:19:42,147 --> 00:19:44,549
And it happens
when you're awake.
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00:19:44,616 --> 00:19:47,618
It happens in front
of witnesses.
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00:19:47,620 --> 00:19:48,486
[Chris] Okay.
374
00:19:56,695 --> 00:19:59,263
[Chris] Who's the one that's
pulling on people's feet?
375
00:20:07,038 --> 00:20:09,407
Whoa, I caught
something fly behind you.
376
00:20:12,377 --> 00:20:14,612
Whoa, I caught something
fly behind you.
377
00:20:16,848 --> 00:20:18,449
[Dave on radio] Whoa,
wait, what was that?
378
00:20:19,317 --> 00:20:21,986
Was that a spirit light?
379
00:20:21,988 --> 00:20:24,455
[Chris] Yep, it was, like,
right where your hand is.
380
00:20:24,522 --> 00:20:26,090
Come touch my hand.
381
00:20:28,193 --> 00:20:30,328
[Chris] I'm gonna lean up.
382
00:20:30,395 --> 00:20:33,197
I'm almost certain it was, like, a
white ball of energy or, like, an anomaly.
383
00:20:35,867 --> 00:20:37,401
[Chris on recording] I'm
almost certain it was like...
384
00:20:38,337 --> 00:20:39,804
[Chris] Oh, camera's dead.
385
00:20:43,408 --> 00:20:45,643
[Chris on radio] Dave,
my camera just went dead.
386
00:20:48,146 --> 00:20:51,348
That was a brand new
battery, brand new battery.
387
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:53,084
Why don't we wrap it up
for tonight?
388
00:20:53,151 --> 00:20:55,152
We've got a lot to
go over and discuss.
389
00:20:55,154 --> 00:20:58,789
And uh we'll meet down here
in the, uh, front room again.
390
00:20:59,691 --> 00:21:01,225
Okay, be there in a second.
391
00:21:05,230 --> 00:21:07,564
[Dave] All right,
so why don't we break down.
392
00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:10,501
We've had a long day,
but before we call it a night,
393
00:21:10,503 --> 00:21:12,503
I'd like to try one more thing.
394
00:21:12,570 --> 00:21:15,906
And that's to take the SLS
camera to the sitting room
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00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:17,842
where Andrew Borden
was murdered.
396
00:21:19,778 --> 00:21:23,047
[Chris] This is the area
here that Andrew Borden died.
397
00:21:23,049 --> 00:21:25,916
[Dave] Chris is using a
specialized light sensor camera,
398
00:21:25,918 --> 00:21:29,053
which will detect human forms.
399
00:21:29,055 --> 00:21:31,789
And sometimes in these
haunted locations,
400
00:21:31,856 --> 00:21:35,493
it'll map out forms that we can't
even see with the naked eye.
401
00:21:37,128 --> 00:21:39,530
[Chris] Oh! Something's
in the doorway, Dave.
402
00:21:39,597 --> 00:21:40,731
[Dave] What?
403
00:21:40,733 --> 00:21:42,533
[Chris] Oh, Now it's gone.
You just walked through it.
404
00:21:42,535 --> 00:21:44,401
- [Dave] Did it?
- [Chris] Holy crap.
405
00:21:44,403 --> 00:21:46,136
[Dave] Something
just appeared in the doorway?
406
00:21:46,138 --> 00:21:49,807
[Chris] Yes, and it was small.
You walked through it.
407
00:21:49,809 --> 00:21:52,009
- [Dave] Were you videotaping?
- [Chris] Yes.
408
00:21:52,011 --> 00:21:54,211
[Chris on recording]
Something's in the doorway, Dave.
409
00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:57,615
- [Dave on recording] What?
- [Chris on recording] You just walked through it.
410
00:21:57,682 --> 00:22:00,885
[Chris] Oh, jeez, something
just raced right across the room,
411
00:22:00,952 --> 00:22:02,620
a black shadow.
412
00:22:02,687 --> 00:22:04,288
While we're over by the stairs,
413
00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:06,023
Dave, he says out to the spirit,
414
00:22:06,091 --> 00:22:08,626
he says something like,
"Are you here?"
415
00:22:08,693 --> 00:22:10,127
[Dave] Miss Borden,
are you here?
416
00:22:11,163 --> 00:22:12,963
[banging from the radiator]
417
00:22:12,965 --> 00:22:14,298
[Dave] What was that?
418
00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:15,766
Did you just hear the banging?
419
00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:17,768
Yeah, it was just like,
it would have been right here.
420
00:22:17,770 --> 00:22:18,936
Could it have been the radiator?
421
00:22:20,706 --> 00:22:22,940
That's like
two knocks, bang, bang.
422
00:22:23,007 --> 00:22:24,942
Right? Two means yes.
I know that.
423
00:22:24,944 --> 00:22:27,478
That's what I use
for direct response method,
424
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,681
two for yes, one for no,
but it was metallic.
425
00:22:30,749 --> 00:22:32,350
[Dave] None of us
have heard that sound
426
00:22:32,417 --> 00:22:35,286
come from the radiator
since we've been here.
427
00:22:35,353 --> 00:22:39,557
It's a possibility, but
I... I can't say for certain.
428
00:22:39,624 --> 00:22:41,892
[Chris] That
was actually creepy.
429
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,427
[Dave] All right,
let's call it a night.
430
00:22:43,429 --> 00:22:45,229
We'll get up early,
review the evidence,
431
00:22:45,296 --> 00:22:48,432
and see what we were able
to uncover tonight.
432
00:22:48,434 --> 00:22:50,968
So, Chris, Luann,
and I are spending
433
00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:52,970
the remainder of the night here.
434
00:22:52,972 --> 00:22:56,841
Would you be open to the idea of
spending one of the nights here with us?
435
00:22:56,908 --> 00:22:59,910
Yeah. Oh, my God,
oh, I'd love to.
436
00:22:59,978 --> 00:23:00,945
Okay.
437
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:07,050
It was definitely
an eventful night,
438
00:23:07,052 --> 00:23:08,853
and I'm so happy
that Chris was able
439
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,988
to join Luann and I
for this investigation.
440
00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:12,790
Something's going on here,
441
00:23:12,792 --> 00:23:16,660
and this being my full night back
in the house to spend the night,
442
00:23:16,728 --> 00:23:20,197
I'd be lying if I didn't say,
there was some apprehension,
443
00:23:21,266 --> 00:23:24,068
but I'm excited to see
what happens.
444
00:23:24,135 --> 00:23:25,936
We'll check in again
with you tomorrow.
445
00:23:26,004 --> 00:23:30,541
[spooky music playing]
446
00:23:36,014 --> 00:23:39,850
[Dave] Chris is busy analyzing the
evidence from last night's investigation.
447
00:23:42,353 --> 00:23:44,488
So while he's doing that,
I'm gonna have Luann
448
00:23:44,490 --> 00:23:46,023
take me around
the house to review
449
00:23:46,025 --> 00:23:47,625
some of the EVPs
that they captured.
450
00:23:50,495 --> 00:23:51,629
[Luann] How was your night?
451
00:23:52,831 --> 00:23:54,131
[Dave] I couldn't sleep well.
452
00:23:58,369 --> 00:24:05,375
Here is the spot where
Abigail Borden was murdered.
453
00:24:05,377 --> 00:24:06,243
[Luann] Yes.
454
00:24:07,179 --> 00:24:08,712
Even walking in here is...
455
00:24:11,049 --> 00:24:12,516
hard.
456
00:24:12,518 --> 00:24:14,051
[slashing sound]
457
00:24:14,118 --> 00:24:17,054
[Dave] And you and Chris
captured more EVP in this room?
458
00:24:17,056 --> 00:24:18,389
- [Luann] Yes.
- [Dave] Okay.
459
00:24:18,456 --> 00:24:21,058
[Luann] A lot of EVP
in this room.
460
00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:23,527
[Chris on radio]
I'll do a quick EVP here.
461
00:24:23,595 --> 00:24:25,196
[Dave on radio] Go ahead.
462
00:24:25,263 --> 00:24:28,032
[Luann on radio] Lizzie, do
you have anything to tell us?
463
00:24:30,068 --> 00:24:32,670
Starting here, what did
you guys capture in this room?
464
00:24:32,737 --> 00:24:33,571
[radio static crackling]
465
00:24:41,746 --> 00:24:43,213
[Dave] I mean,
that's really creepy.
466
00:24:43,215 --> 00:24:44,681
You can hear that.
467
00:24:44,683 --> 00:24:46,950
And it's like she's calling
out like she's crying.
468
00:24:46,952 --> 00:24:48,018
"I'm a good daughter."
469
00:24:48,086 --> 00:24:50,354
[Luann] Yes.
470
00:24:50,356 --> 00:24:54,758
[Dave] There were always rumors of unspeakable
conduct coming from the Borden home.
471
00:24:56,761 --> 00:25:01,965
Allegations that Lizzie's father,
Andrew Borden, may have abused her.
472
00:25:01,967 --> 00:25:07,438
If true, did years of abuse finally
drive Lizzie to seek vengeance,
473
00:25:07,505 --> 00:25:11,241
and could that blood lust have
spilled out on to her stepmother, Abby,
474
00:25:11,243 --> 00:25:14,244
who really did nothing
to stop the abuse?
475
00:25:14,246 --> 00:25:17,047
In reality, Abby was
Lizzie and Emma's stepmother,
476
00:25:17,115 --> 00:25:19,783
whom Lizzie
referred to as Mrs. Borden,
477
00:25:19,851 --> 00:25:21,785
when she was questioned by
the police.
478
00:25:23,655 --> 00:25:27,524
[Luann] That particular EVP,
can reverse.
479
00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:30,193
[Dave] So wait a minute. You've
taken the audio and played it backwards?
480
00:25:30,195 --> 00:25:31,595
[Luann] Exactly.
481
00:25:31,663 --> 00:25:33,664
What did you capture
or think you captured then?
482
00:25:33,666 --> 00:25:34,998
[Luann] Well, that's the thing,
483
00:25:35,033 --> 00:25:38,335
it sounds pretty
much like the same voice,
484
00:25:38,337 --> 00:25:40,470
like a woman in distress.
485
00:25:40,472 --> 00:25:42,673
And it's clearer reversed.
486
00:25:42,675 --> 00:25:44,241
[radio interference]
487
00:25:51,016 --> 00:25:53,951
[Dave] If we're hearing
Lizzie claiming
488
00:25:53,953 --> 00:25:57,488
or proclaiming her innocence
in the first EVP,
489
00:25:57,555 --> 00:25:58,989
we play it back.
490
00:25:59,557 --> 00:26:00,991
"My daughter was raped."
491
00:26:02,761 --> 00:26:05,563
I mean, I hear it.
I hear it [bleep] dead on.
492
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:07,698
That's exactly what's playing
to us right now.
493
00:26:07,765 --> 00:26:10,968
Abigail Borden
was not Lizzie's mom.
494
00:26:11,035 --> 00:26:13,637
Abigail Borden
was her stepmother.
495
00:26:13,639 --> 00:26:14,604
[Luann] Exactly.
496
00:26:14,606 --> 00:26:15,639
[Dave] Her actual mother
497
00:26:15,641 --> 00:26:17,141
died when Lizzie was very young.
498
00:26:18,910 --> 00:26:21,178
Could it be the spirit
of her biological mother,
499
00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:24,848
trying to give us some
insight into what happened?
500
00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:29,252
Lizzy seems to be
verbalizing, vocalizing
501
00:26:29,254 --> 00:26:32,056
between the other side
and here, trying to fill us in,
502
00:26:32,123 --> 00:26:35,592
trying to help us understand
what's taken place here.
503
00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:40,998
[Luann] Sometimes if you stand
right in this location right here,
504
00:26:44,135 --> 00:26:46,537
they want to push you,
push you in that...
505
00:26:46,604 --> 00:26:49,339
- [Dave] Are you okay?
- [Luann] Yeah.
506
00:26:49,341 --> 00:26:53,810
This area right here is where
you get really disoriented
507
00:26:53,812 --> 00:26:55,879
and you get that
funhouse feeling.
508
00:26:55,881 --> 00:26:58,849
Yeah, I kind of don't feel
so good all of a sudden.
509
00:27:00,218 --> 00:27:02,285
Just now, you weren't just
re-enacting that for me.
510
00:27:02,287 --> 00:27:04,421
- No, no.
- You feel like something's moving you.
511
00:27:04,489 --> 00:27:07,558
Something is moving Luann,
pushing her,
512
00:27:07,625 --> 00:27:10,227
shoving or creating
this disturbance
513
00:27:10,294 --> 00:27:12,763
so she can't feel equilibrium.
514
00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:14,798
There is so much going on.
515
00:27:15,566 --> 00:27:16,900
I don't even know where we begin
516
00:27:16,968 --> 00:27:18,969
to start to discern
who's who, and what's what,
517
00:27:18,971 --> 00:27:23,640
and we're still accepting the
fact that these are human spirits.
518
00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:27,110
The other side is
wrought with confusion,
519
00:27:27,112 --> 00:27:33,316
and dark entities like to take
on the presence of human forms.
520
00:27:33,318 --> 00:27:36,787
And that's what leads to...
possession.
521
00:27:36,854 --> 00:27:40,123
That's what leads
to demonic infestation.
522
00:27:40,125 --> 00:27:42,726
I don't know what we're
dealing with here specifically,
523
00:27:42,728 --> 00:27:44,795
but I'm certainly gonna be
a lot more careful
524
00:27:44,862 --> 00:27:48,265
as we continue to move through this
investigation over the next couple of days.
525
00:27:48,267 --> 00:27:51,335
So I have something really
scary that I want to play for you.
526
00:27:51,402 --> 00:27:58,042
And this, I think might be the
negative presence in the house.
527
00:27:59,077 --> 00:28:01,178
[disembodied voice
speaking on recording]
528
00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:14,892
[Dave] Anvelo.
What is that, a name?
529
00:28:16,294 --> 00:28:19,896
[narrator] Could this be the
demonic presence in the house?
530
00:28:19,898 --> 00:28:23,967
The very thing causing the
plague on the Borden family.
531
00:28:23,969 --> 00:28:26,436
There is definitely some kind of
532
00:28:26,438 --> 00:28:29,706
oppressive
presence in this house,
533
00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:31,709
and it's starting to make me
very uncomfortable.
534
00:28:34,178 --> 00:28:38,315
And who is it or what is it, that's
really trying to come through?
535
00:28:38,382 --> 00:28:41,384
I have no idea where this is
going. Part of me is excited,
536
00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:43,687
and part of me is
absolutely terrified.
537
00:28:45,323 --> 00:28:47,524
Hey, guys,
Sam is back here with us,
538
00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:50,661
and we've had some
weird experiences here.
539
00:28:50,728 --> 00:28:53,864
Um, Chris, 10 years ago,
myself, 10 years ago,
540
00:28:53,931 --> 00:28:58,635
Ah, activity, sounds,
screams, voices, EVPs.
541
00:28:58,702 --> 00:29:02,072
And we're trying to piece
this together to understand
542
00:29:02,140 --> 00:29:03,874
what's going on in this area
543
00:29:03,876 --> 00:29:07,544
that it is so active
with the supernatural.
544
00:29:07,546 --> 00:29:11,482
And why is it affecting
the Borden family so deeply?
545
00:29:11,549 --> 00:29:16,419
Is there any truth to this Borden
family curse in your opinion?
546
00:29:16,421 --> 00:29:19,422
Well, if you look at
our backstory,
547
00:29:19,424 --> 00:29:21,758
it's definitely a lot of blood,
548
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,129
and a lot of murders that
happened through our history.
549
00:29:26,898 --> 00:29:30,901
Now there is one murder that was
sensational, that happened in 1832,
550
00:29:30,903 --> 00:29:33,504
and it involves one
of my distant cousins.
551
00:29:33,571 --> 00:29:36,573
Her name is Sarah Maria Cornell.
552
00:29:36,575 --> 00:29:39,176
[narrator] According to Sam,
a Methodist minister,
553
00:29:39,178 --> 00:29:42,245
Reverend Ephram Avery
was strongly suspected
554
00:29:42,247 --> 00:29:45,649
of both the rape
and murder of Sarah Cornell,
555
00:29:45,716 --> 00:29:49,853
and was rumored to be the
father of her unborn child.
556
00:29:49,921 --> 00:29:53,423
She was found hanging from
a stag pole at a nearby farm.
557
00:29:55,059 --> 00:29:57,794
Bruises were later discovered
around her abdomen,
558
00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:01,732
suggesting an abortion
may have been attempted.
559
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:05,001
Sarah's murder was considered
the crime of the century
560
00:30:05,003 --> 00:30:08,271
until the Borden murders came
about some 60 years later.
561
00:30:08,273 --> 00:30:09,873
He was actually
tried and acquitted,
562
00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,675
very much like
Lizzie Borden was acquitted
563
00:30:11,677 --> 00:30:13,744
for the murders
of the Borden family.
564
00:30:13,811 --> 00:30:17,881
[narrator] Could this be evidence of
a demonic force in the Borden family?
565
00:30:17,883 --> 00:30:20,818
The devil?
Like, that's terrifying to me.
566
00:30:20,885 --> 00:30:22,753
[Dave] All right, Sam.
Now going back to Lizzie,
567
00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:28,225
do you believe that Lizzie
Borden wielded the hatchet or ax,
568
00:30:28,227 --> 00:30:33,630
or that something else was using
her as a vessel for that murder?
569
00:30:33,632 --> 00:30:36,633
[Sam] I absolutely think there
was something more sinister at play.
570
00:30:36,701 --> 00:30:40,036
She may have had sort
of a dissociative episode
571
00:30:40,038 --> 00:30:43,173
where she basically was not
in her body when it happened.
572
00:30:43,241 --> 00:30:45,042
I do think she did do it.
573
00:30:45,109 --> 00:30:48,679
However, I don't think that
she was in control of her body.
574
00:30:50,715 --> 00:30:52,916
I do think that Lizzie
is definitely predisposed
575
00:30:52,918 --> 00:30:55,919
to being taken over
by a dark entity.
576
00:30:59,056 --> 00:31:02,392
She does not take ownership
for the murders.
577
00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:05,362
I don't think she will ever
take ownership for the murders.
578
00:31:10,668 --> 00:31:14,471
If she was possessed
and killed her father,
579
00:31:14,538 --> 00:31:17,674
she didn't kill her
father, the devil did.
580
00:31:19,143 --> 00:31:20,810
[Sam] Do I think
she committed the murders?
581
00:31:20,812 --> 00:31:24,815
I do physically,
but something else did it.
582
00:31:30,154 --> 00:31:34,157
No one would have accused
this small-framed woman,
583
00:31:34,225 --> 00:31:37,794
who was 32 years old, of killing
her father and her stepmother.
584
00:31:39,364 --> 00:31:43,767
That was the perfect person to
take over, and the entity knew that.
585
00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:46,770
[Dave] Now let's discuss Lizzie
586
00:31:46,772 --> 00:31:49,973
and her sister Emma's uncle,
John Morse.
587
00:31:53,044 --> 00:31:55,045
If there is something
to the rumors
588
00:31:55,112 --> 00:31:57,247
that Morse dabbled in
the occult,
589
00:31:57,249 --> 00:31:59,449
what if Lizzie
practiced with him
590
00:31:59,451 --> 00:32:01,852
and something
took her over then?
591
00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:03,853
And it would explain
too that during possession,
592
00:32:03,855 --> 00:32:08,191
how people get much more
strength, they're empowered.
593
00:32:08,193 --> 00:32:12,229
And that would explain some of
the violent brutality that took place.
594
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:15,265
What other strange ties
to deaths
595
00:32:15,267 --> 00:32:17,534
and murder and mayhem
do you have?
596
00:32:17,536 --> 00:32:19,670
There was Eliza.
597
00:32:22,206 --> 00:32:24,341
Eliza Darlene, she was a Borden.
598
00:32:24,343 --> 00:32:26,009
She actually married
into the Borden family,
599
00:32:26,077 --> 00:32:30,146
was not blood related to Lizzie
Borden, but her husband was.
600
00:32:30,148 --> 00:32:31,348
Where'd Eliza live?
601
00:32:31,415 --> 00:32:32,716
Right next door.
602
00:32:35,219 --> 00:32:39,890
[baby crying]
603
00:32:39,957 --> 00:32:43,560
[Sam] One fateful day she
actually took her two children,
604
00:32:43,562 --> 00:32:45,295
threw them down a well.
605
00:32:45,363 --> 00:32:46,730
[baby crying]
606
00:32:48,733 --> 00:32:51,802
[eerie voice whispering]
607
00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:14,791
[Dave] Well, then the question
we need to ask,
608
00:33:14,793 --> 00:33:18,962
is was Eliza possessed by a
demonic force when she did it?
609
00:33:28,339 --> 00:33:31,074
[Sam] And then she took a
straight razor and cut her neck.
610
00:33:37,748 --> 00:33:39,349
And Dave, I'm telling you,
I'm channeling.
611
00:33:39,417 --> 00:33:41,084
I'm, like, picking
up something right now,
612
00:33:41,086 --> 00:33:44,688
and I'm not really sure who
it is, and maybe it's Eliza.
613
00:33:44,755 --> 00:33:47,757
This seat is like the worst seat
for me to do this, guys. I'm sorry.
614
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:49,092
Do you need to stand up?
615
00:33:49,094 --> 00:33:50,827
I just don't, yeah, no,
616
00:33:50,829 --> 00:33:52,562
this is like a really
bad seat for me.
617
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:54,097
You've got a clairvoyant
sitting in the spot
618
00:33:54,165 --> 00:33:55,499
where Andrew Borden
is brutally murdered.
619
00:33:55,566 --> 00:33:56,966
I can understand that.
620
00:33:56,968 --> 00:33:58,902
It's like, I'm a clairvoyant,
I'm a psychometrist,
621
00:33:58,904 --> 00:34:01,772
so I pick up on the energy. So I'm
definitely feeling energy right now.
622
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:03,974
- [Dave] Let me grab my recorder.
- Okay.
623
00:34:04,041 --> 00:34:07,144
While you're talking, even if she's not
fully channeling, if we can get anything.
624
00:34:08,245 --> 00:34:09,646
No, don't apologize, man.
625
00:34:09,713 --> 00:34:11,181
[Sam] No, no, no,
no, this is what we do.
626
00:34:11,248 --> 00:34:14,117
We're beginning session
number one in the front parlor
627
00:34:14,185 --> 00:34:16,453
at the site
of Andrew Borden's murder.
628
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,989
Sam Baltrusis, you're feeling
something come through you.
629
00:34:19,991 --> 00:34:21,391
What are you feeling, Sam?
630
00:34:23,527 --> 00:34:29,265
[Sam] I'm seeing a woman, and she's got
beautiful hair. She's brushing her hair.
631
00:34:29,267 --> 00:34:31,935
She loves her children, she
loves her children so much.
632
00:34:33,671 --> 00:34:35,105
[Dave] Eliza, is this you?
633
00:34:36,941 --> 00:34:38,942
What do you want us to know?
634
00:34:38,944 --> 00:34:40,477
What can we do to help you?
635
00:34:41,212 --> 00:34:43,680
Help my children.
636
00:34:43,682 --> 00:34:46,116
[Dave] Are your children with
you on the other side, Eliza?
637
00:34:46,617 --> 00:34:48,351
They're here.
638
00:34:48,353 --> 00:34:51,888
And, Eliza, what can we do
to help your children?
639
00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:53,523
What would you like from us?
640
00:34:55,026 --> 00:34:57,828
Keep them away from them.
641
00:35:00,831 --> 00:35:03,366
Keep them away from him.
642
00:35:03,434 --> 00:35:04,501
[Dave] From who, Eliza?
643
00:35:04,568 --> 00:35:05,669
[Sam sobs]
644
00:35:12,743 --> 00:35:14,811
[Dave] Are there
other energies here
645
00:35:14,879 --> 00:35:17,481
that are tormenting
your children, Eliza?
646
00:35:17,548 --> 00:35:19,215
[Sam sobbing] Yes, yes.
647
00:35:19,217 --> 00:35:22,085
[Dave] Yes? Are they
tormenting you as well?
648
00:35:22,087 --> 00:35:25,222
Yes, yes, they
won't let me come here.
649
00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:28,024
[Dave] Are you in danger by
coming here to talk to us about this?
650
00:35:28,092 --> 00:35:32,362
[Sam sobbing] Yes, yes, they
will kill my children, kill my children.
651
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:35,232
[Dave] But who are they?
652
00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:37,300
Is she referring
to the dark forces
653
00:35:37,302 --> 00:35:39,402
that could be behind
the family curse?
654
00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:44,040
[narrator] Did a dark force
make her kill her children?
655
00:35:46,911 --> 00:35:51,247
And worse, does it continue
to haunt Eliza and her children
656
00:35:51,249 --> 00:35:52,716
even in the afterlife?
657
00:35:54,785 --> 00:35:56,386
Chris Fleming
took me aside afterwards
658
00:35:56,453 --> 00:35:58,988
and said, Sam Baltrusis,
he's the real deal.
659
00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:00,457
Things I was picking up on,
660
00:36:00,524 --> 00:36:02,926
he would immediately start
to address and talk about,
661
00:36:02,993 --> 00:36:05,261
I know he knew
what was going on here.
662
00:36:05,263 --> 00:36:07,397
These spirits are
communicating through him,
663
00:36:07,464 --> 00:36:08,932
the Borden bloodline.
664
00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:10,867
They went to Sam Baltrusis.
665
00:36:11,135 --> 00:36:12,035
Wow.
666
00:36:14,138 --> 00:36:18,875
Now, do you feel residual
energy of Eliza with you?
667
00:36:20,077 --> 00:36:21,745
[Sam] It was definitely
about her children.
668
00:36:21,812 --> 00:36:26,950
And I definitely felt her pain
and she's, she's desperate.
669
00:36:26,952 --> 00:36:28,818
It's like you go
into another world.
670
00:36:28,820 --> 00:36:32,255
You can actually see it through
her eyes, while you're in that state.
671
00:36:33,424 --> 00:36:35,959
[Dave] So the idea
that she killed her children,
672
00:36:36,026 --> 00:36:38,494
it's not on her conscience?
673
00:36:38,496 --> 00:36:41,431
Maybe she really is desperate
to help those children.
674
00:36:41,433 --> 00:36:43,900
She's desperate to help them
because she believes
675
00:36:43,902 --> 00:36:48,238
the dark entity from the curse
is tormenting her and them,
676
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:50,306
even in the afterlife.
677
00:36:50,308 --> 00:36:54,043
[Chris] When you were saying
that they don't protect the children,
678
00:36:54,045 --> 00:36:55,311
that there's something else,
679
00:36:55,313 --> 00:36:57,881
what was it that
she was afraid of?
680
00:36:58,849 --> 00:37:00,150
[Sam] It was a monster.
681
00:37:00,184 --> 00:37:02,519
That's the only way
she could describe it.
682
00:37:02,586 --> 00:37:07,323
I think that, that people misconstrue
that entity as Andrew Borden,
683
00:37:07,325 --> 00:37:08,658
and I don't think
it's Andrew Borden.
684
00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:09,792
[Chris] No, it's not.
685
00:37:09,794 --> 00:37:10,694
I think it's something else.
686
00:37:18,068 --> 00:37:22,138
[Dave] Anvelo has been this
name that keeps coming up,
687
00:37:22,206 --> 00:37:24,841
something very dark
and demonic in nature.
688
00:37:26,143 --> 00:37:27,143
But it's hiding.
689
00:37:28,546 --> 00:37:30,880
Is it hiding because
we're here looking for it?
690
00:37:30,882 --> 00:37:34,884
Because it knows we're gonna
challenge its authority in this house?
691
00:37:34,886 --> 00:37:36,686
And after what happened
to Sam Baltrusis,
692
00:37:36,688 --> 00:37:39,089
channeling, something
coming through him,
693
00:37:39,156 --> 00:37:42,959
claiming to be Eliza,
talking about her two children
694
00:37:43,027 --> 00:37:47,297
being bullied or oppressed
by something dark,
695
00:37:47,364 --> 00:37:48,365
was that Anvelo?
696
00:37:52,303 --> 00:37:55,372
[Chris] Guys I gotta walk out, I'm having
a hard time breathing. I gotta, I can't.
697
00:37:58,175 --> 00:38:00,010
[exhales] I gotta get some air.
698
00:38:01,979 --> 00:38:04,748
[Dave] Yeah, this
is getting really intense.
699
00:38:11,522 --> 00:38:15,458
[exhales] Oh, my God, I can't
breathe. I have a hard time breathing.
700
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:16,726
It's like, I'm being choked.
701
00:38:16,728 --> 00:38:18,528
Like oxygen's coming out of me.
702
00:38:18,595 --> 00:38:20,664
It was like the whole bunch
of people are on top of you.
703
00:38:20,731 --> 00:38:22,532
If you've ever had that happen,
704
00:38:22,534 --> 00:38:24,667
like you play games when you were
kids and everybody's on top of you,
705
00:38:24,669 --> 00:38:27,070
you can't breathe, can't
breathe, that type of thing.
706
00:38:27,137 --> 00:38:28,805
There was a restriction
of airflow.
707
00:38:28,872 --> 00:38:30,940
I had to walk out.
I couldn't take it anymore.
708
00:38:30,942 --> 00:38:32,442
I was fighting it
while I was in there.
709
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,814
[Dave] Okay, we're, we're
obviously seeing evidence
710
00:38:37,881 --> 00:38:40,417
that there is some
sort of malevolent presence
711
00:38:40,484 --> 00:38:42,285
here at the Borden house.
712
00:38:42,287 --> 00:38:43,887
But you know
who we haven't heard from yet
713
00:38:43,954 --> 00:38:48,024
is one of the main suspects
in these murders, John Morse.
714
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:55,098
Now John Morse
was Lizzie's uncle.
715
00:38:58,502 --> 00:39:01,904
He had visited Andrew Borden
the day of the murders.
716
00:39:01,906 --> 00:39:05,809
And when it comes to motive,
the guy had plenty.
717
00:39:08,379 --> 00:39:10,780
He and Mister Borden
were reportedly overheard
718
00:39:10,848 --> 00:39:15,085
having a heated argument over
money right before the murders.
719
00:39:16,921 --> 00:39:20,590
Plus, there's the matter
of what he did for a living.
720
00:39:20,657 --> 00:39:22,058
[Luann] He was a butcher,
721
00:39:22,126 --> 00:39:24,928
and a butcher did
also carry something
722
00:39:24,995 --> 00:39:28,264
very similar to an ax.
723
00:39:28,332 --> 00:39:31,534
[Dave] Well, let's not forget the
rumors that he dabbled in the occult.
724
00:39:31,602 --> 00:39:35,271
What if he unknowingly brought
something into the Borden home?
725
00:39:36,206 --> 00:39:38,274
Sam, is there another place
we can go
726
00:39:38,276 --> 00:39:41,744
to try to actually
connect with John Morse?
727
00:39:41,746 --> 00:39:45,014
Well, you know, there's a place
in the Freetown State Forest,
728
00:39:45,016 --> 00:39:48,284
actually where John Morse lived.
729
00:39:48,352 --> 00:39:50,220
The house is no longer there,
730
00:39:50,287 --> 00:39:52,822
but that would be
the place to go.
731
00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:54,557
[Dave] Now that we've all
had a moment to breathe
732
00:39:54,625 --> 00:39:56,159
and think about the dark force,
733
00:39:56,161 --> 00:39:58,762
we need to figure
out where it came from.
734
00:40:05,102 --> 00:40:07,570
[Dave] The idea of
a curse on this family
735
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,842
does it exist as though
somebody specifically cursed
736
00:40:12,844 --> 00:40:16,245
the bloodline of the Bordens?
737
00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:19,515
Do you believe that it's a
genetic passed down curse?
738
00:40:19,517 --> 00:40:22,919
If you look at John Morse's
backstory,
739
00:40:22,921 --> 00:40:26,656
the way he was acting was
very odd the night of the murder.
740
00:40:26,723 --> 00:40:29,125
He normally actually
sleeps on the third floor,
741
00:40:29,127 --> 00:40:30,793
the night before
he actually stayed
742
00:40:30,795 --> 00:40:33,596
in the John Morse room
on the second floor,
743
00:40:33,598 --> 00:40:35,732
where Abby was murdered.
744
00:40:35,799 --> 00:40:38,935
Almost like he was taken
over by something as well.
745
00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:42,472
And there are allegations of
witchcraft in his and Lizzie's bloodline.
746
00:40:42,539 --> 00:40:46,075
I wouldn't be surprised
if whatever he attracted
747
00:40:46,143 --> 00:40:49,479
where he lived somehow it
followed him to the Borden house.
748
00:40:49,513 --> 00:40:52,916
Let's see if we can get some
answers tonight at the forest.
749
00:40:59,757 --> 00:41:01,024
[Dave] So we're all sure
about this?
750
00:41:01,091 --> 00:41:02,559
- [Chris] Yeah, I want to do this.
- Let's do it.
751
00:41:02,626 --> 00:41:04,093
[Dave] Stay together, guys.
752
00:41:12,169 --> 00:41:15,371
This is the exact spot
where John Morse lived.
753
00:41:17,107 --> 00:41:21,377
If he's guilty of these murders
or if he's eternally cursed,
754
00:41:22,646 --> 00:41:25,648
it's quite possible his spirit
is still here today.
755
00:41:26,984 --> 00:41:28,351
[Chris] We are not alone.
756
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:36,959
[Dave] All right,
now everybody stay alert.
757
00:41:36,961 --> 00:41:40,163
[narrator] If John Morse was
cursed by the Borden family demon,
758
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:43,833
he might be the actual killer
of Andrew and Abby Borden,
759
00:41:43,835 --> 00:41:46,235
pinning it all on Lizzie.
760
00:41:46,237 --> 00:41:47,971
[Dave] Who knows what
we're gonna find out here?
761
00:41:48,972 --> 00:41:50,507
[Chris] We are not alone.
762
00:41:53,978 --> 00:41:56,646
I'm hearing like whispering,
it sounds like little children,
763
00:41:56,713 --> 00:41:58,581
but it's static sounding.
764
00:41:58,583 --> 00:42:00,116
[Sam] There's definitely
whispering going on.
765
00:42:00,183 --> 00:42:01,918
I'm getting
chanting of some sorts.
766
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,853
[Dave] You're picking
up on chanting out here?
767
00:42:03,855 --> 00:42:05,522
Yeah. We're not alone.
768
00:42:07,925 --> 00:42:10,393
[Dave] This is where Lizzie's
uncle's house once stood.
769
00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:12,261
And if the rumors
are true, guys,
770
00:42:12,263 --> 00:42:15,532
this is where he would have
engaged in these occult practices.
771
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:18,534
I'm getting stuff flying
around real quickly, around us.
772
00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:21,971
I got a little disoriented from
the change in the field over here.
773
00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:24,240
You ask a question.
774
00:42:25,542 --> 00:42:28,211
[Dave] John Morse,
are you here with us?
775
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:35,685
Did you kill Andrew
and Abby Borden?
776
00:42:35,753 --> 00:42:36,853
- [ax slash]
- [scream]
777
00:42:37,554 --> 00:42:38,588
[thuds]
778
00:42:40,758 --> 00:42:41,991
[Chris] Let me play this back.
779
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,228
[radio interference]
780
00:42:45,295 --> 00:42:46,329
Something, here, listen.
781
00:42:49,533 --> 00:42:50,466
"Satan loves you?"
782
00:42:52,036 --> 00:42:53,570
[Sam] It says,
"Satan loves you."
783
00:43:00,511 --> 00:43:03,179
Why, why would
it say that though?
784
00:43:03,246 --> 00:43:05,781
If you're already
picking up on the same
785
00:43:05,783 --> 00:43:08,718
environmental field that
we have at the Borden house,
786
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,622
is it following us, or are
we just out in its nature?
787
00:43:12,656 --> 00:43:16,392
Obviously something out here is
trying to get into our heads early.
788
00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:20,964
It's protecting its property.
We've come into their area.
789
00:43:22,132 --> 00:43:25,201
Or there was a lot of ritual
that happened out here.
790
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:27,537
And that's what
I'm picking up on.
791
00:43:27,604 --> 00:43:28,938
I'm picking on
some sort of ritual,
792
00:43:29,006 --> 00:43:30,707
Maybe there's something
that has been opened up.
793
00:43:31,608 --> 00:43:33,142
[rustling]
794
00:43:33,144 --> 00:43:34,477
[Sam] Did you hear that?
795
00:43:41,151 --> 00:43:42,218
[Dave] Sounds like something
796
00:43:42,285 --> 00:43:43,419
just walking
around our perimeter.
797
00:43:43,487 --> 00:43:44,420
Do you keep hearing that?
798
00:43:44,488 --> 00:43:45,622
We're being circled,
799
00:43:45,689 --> 00:43:46,923
there's something
is circling around us.
800
00:43:48,492 --> 00:43:52,094
[Chris] All right, let me I'll
film with SLS. See if we get it.
801
00:43:52,096 --> 00:43:55,732
[Dave] Now, Chris is again
utilizing a tool called the SLS camera.
802
00:43:55,766 --> 00:44:00,903
It's seeking human form, and what
we find in some haunted locations,
803
00:44:00,971 --> 00:44:06,242
when someone is not visibly
there, it will map in a figure,
804
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:07,977
and not just an outline
of the figure,
805
00:44:07,979 --> 00:44:11,614
but sometimes it will move and
correspond to what we're asking.
806
00:44:12,449 --> 00:44:14,584
And when it
says "Anomaly detected",
807
00:44:14,651 --> 00:44:17,386
it's picking up on
some sort of human form.
808
00:44:17,388 --> 00:44:21,257
[Sam] I hate to say it, but I'm
picking up stuff that may be dark,
809
00:44:21,324 --> 00:44:22,892
something was conjured here.
810
00:44:23,327 --> 00:44:24,794
[faint whisper]
811
00:44:24,796 --> 00:44:27,196
[Luann] Did you hear
something just whisper right here?
812
00:44:27,264 --> 00:44:28,998
[Chris] Yeah.
I've been getting voices.
813
00:44:29,066 --> 00:44:31,801
[Luann] I keep
hearing like whispers.
814
00:44:31,803 --> 00:44:34,470
[Sam] There's definitely
something out here with us.
815
00:44:34,538 --> 00:44:37,407
I'm not sure if it's something
related to John Morse,
816
00:44:37,474 --> 00:44:40,676
or the dark energy conjured
from the family curse.
817
00:44:40,678 --> 00:44:43,546
Whatever it is,
it wants us to break apart
818
00:44:43,548 --> 00:44:45,548
and to follow whatever it is
in the woods.
819
00:44:45,550 --> 00:44:48,751
And it's kind of using,
you know,
820
00:44:48,819 --> 00:44:50,486
I didn't feel
uncomfortable at first
821
00:44:50,554 --> 00:44:52,488
when I first walked here,
but now I do.
822
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:55,692
Something is very dark and
menacing, lurking in the woods.
823
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,028
So I have my dousing rod.
824
00:44:59,096 --> 00:45:02,231
I'm actually,
my hand is going numb.
825
00:45:02,233 --> 00:45:05,835
Something's very, very,
very, very powerful here,
826
00:45:05,837 --> 00:45:09,172
and it's holding my hand.
Can you show me where you are?
827
00:45:11,175 --> 00:45:12,241
Right over here.
828
00:45:13,444 --> 00:45:14,977
And that's where I was
seeing something walking
829
00:45:15,045 --> 00:45:17,913
and kind of like
circling us over here.
830
00:45:17,915 --> 00:45:19,849
[Chris] Sam,
why don't you go over there?
831
00:45:19,916 --> 00:45:21,250
[Sam] Okay.
832
00:45:21,252 --> 00:45:24,720
Now Sam's picked up
on his dowsing rods
833
00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:27,557
that the energy is drawing
him in that direction.
834
00:45:29,927 --> 00:45:31,728
[Sam] So, Dave,
it just said, "Here,"
835
00:45:31,795 --> 00:45:36,999
and it came from above me,
and it sounded very wicked.
836
00:45:37,067 --> 00:45:39,068
It sounded like, [imitates
hoarse voice] "Here".
837
00:45:39,070 --> 00:45:42,739
Uh, so it was very gravelly
and kind of scary.
838
00:45:42,806 --> 00:45:45,541
I feel like I'm being
used as human bait right now,
839
00:45:45,609 --> 00:45:47,743
but I, but I think this is
important to communicate
840
00:45:47,745 --> 00:45:49,512
with whatever's
lurking in the woods.
841
00:45:51,815 --> 00:45:52,782
[Sam] Oh, my God.
842
00:45:56,019 --> 00:45:59,388
It grabbed my arm, while I was
pushing out, It grabbed my arm.
843
00:46:00,891 --> 00:46:02,125
Oh, my God.
844
00:46:03,693 --> 00:46:06,796
All right stop, everybody just
stop for a second. Hold on.
845
00:46:08,499 --> 00:46:11,701
Direct ahead of you, right
directly in front of you, Chris,
846
00:46:11,768 --> 00:46:13,503
I see two glowing eyes.
847
00:46:14,171 --> 00:46:15,438
[Chris] Oh, my God.
848
00:46:15,505 --> 00:46:17,239
[Dave] I've got them
on the camera right now.
849
00:46:17,241 --> 00:46:19,275
I mean, they're there, there's
something there between you two.
850
00:46:20,310 --> 00:46:23,179
[Chris] That's too far
for this SLS to map.
851
00:46:23,181 --> 00:46:26,449
[Dave] It looks like it's
maybe 10 to 20 yards tops.
852
00:46:28,718 --> 00:46:29,919
Now they're gone.
853
00:46:36,994 --> 00:46:39,929
[Chris] Okay, we're gonna try
something here.
854
00:46:39,931 --> 00:46:41,731
Hey, you guys come around,
let's let's make a triangle.
855
00:46:41,798 --> 00:46:43,599
All right, guys,
what we're going to do here
856
00:46:43,601 --> 00:46:47,336
for a couple of minutes,
is DRVP.
857
00:46:47,338 --> 00:46:48,804
I'm gonna use the spirit box.
858
00:46:48,806 --> 00:46:50,406
I got a little bit
of an amplifier here
859
00:46:50,408 --> 00:46:52,741
going into an orbit
speaker, all right?
860
00:46:52,743 --> 00:46:57,914
What I want to do is have some direct
voice phenomenon using the radio.
861
00:46:59,149 --> 00:47:01,551
[radio interference]
862
00:47:03,420 --> 00:47:05,321
[Chris] Spirits,
I know you can hear us.
863
00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:08,424
Are you mad that we're here?
864
00:47:12,763 --> 00:47:13,896
Leave.
865
00:47:16,033 --> 00:47:17,633
- [Sam] I'm sorry.
- [Luann] I'm sorry?
866
00:47:17,701 --> 00:47:19,368
[Sam] Yeah. I'm sorry.
867
00:47:20,971 --> 00:47:23,906
[Sam] John Morse,
is our family cursed?
868
00:47:26,577 --> 00:47:28,678
What's hovering
above me right now?
869
00:47:32,382 --> 00:47:33,249
Satan?
870
00:47:38,722 --> 00:47:41,057
[Dave] All right, let's do
an EVP session right here.
871
00:47:42,592 --> 00:47:44,727
We can hear you
moving around us.
872
00:47:46,129 --> 00:47:49,866
We come in respect, we're
simply seeking answers and truth.
873
00:47:51,935 --> 00:47:55,972
[Sam] John Morse, are you the
one that's circling us right now?
874
00:47:57,407 --> 00:48:00,309
Is it true that you dabbled
in occult practices?
875
00:48:01,211 --> 00:48:04,380
Are you angry that
we're in your territory?
876
00:48:08,752 --> 00:48:10,085
[loud bang]
877
00:48:10,087 --> 00:48:11,954
- Holy crap!
- [Chris] Was that like a drum sound? Yeah.
878
00:48:11,956 --> 00:48:13,889
[Luann] What the hell was that?
879
00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:16,959
Something just went
running right by my feet.
880
00:48:17,027 --> 00:48:18,628
[Chris] And then
I heard the drum sound.
881
00:48:18,695 --> 00:48:20,429
[Luann] It went in there,
882
00:48:20,431 --> 00:48:23,032
like through the trees
right across the ground.
883
00:48:24,501 --> 00:48:25,968
[Chris] All right, play it back.
884
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,440
Get out, listen to this,
get out, listen.
885
00:48:38,715 --> 00:48:39,849
- Right there, "Get out."
- "Get out".
886
00:48:39,916 --> 00:48:41,717
It was an evil voice.
Let me play this for you.
887
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,390
[unintelligible sounds
on recording]
888
00:48:51,127 --> 00:48:52,628
[Chris] "Get out", right there.
889
00:48:55,131 --> 00:48:56,799
[Dave] Well,
we definitely made contact
890
00:48:56,866 --> 00:48:59,201
with an evil energy
out here tonight,
891
00:48:59,269 --> 00:49:02,939
but was it that same demonic
force that Sam believes
892
00:49:03,006 --> 00:49:06,608
has plagued the Borden family
for centuries?
893
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:10,012
Whatever it was, it had a
message for us loud and clear.
894
00:49:11,281 --> 00:49:12,481
Get out.
895
00:49:13,683 --> 00:49:16,152
And it makes our next
step in this investigation
896
00:49:16,219 --> 00:49:17,987
even that much more treacherous.
897
00:49:19,356 --> 00:49:21,524
It's time we sit down
for the seance.
898
00:49:33,036 --> 00:49:34,770
I wanted to talk about
a couple of things
899
00:49:34,772 --> 00:49:36,706
before we even consider
doing the seance,
900
00:49:36,773 --> 00:49:39,642
because we all know
how dangerous this can be.
901
00:49:39,709 --> 00:49:43,779
Our mission has to be to find
evidence of the Borden family curse
902
00:49:43,847 --> 00:49:46,849
to hopefully detect
this presence of dark energy
903
00:49:46,851 --> 00:49:48,851
that's followed
the family ever since.
904
00:49:48,853 --> 00:49:52,855
In the woods, we encountered
a presence calling itself Satan.
905
00:49:56,526 --> 00:49:59,662
Here in the house, we
encountered the demonic presence.
906
00:50:02,265 --> 00:50:03,999
- What the...
- [bleep]
907
00:50:04,001 --> 00:50:06,068
Something reaches out
from underneath the bed?
908
00:50:06,070 --> 00:50:07,336
Yes.
909
00:50:07,403 --> 00:50:10,172
[Dave] Including
the demon attached to Eliza.
910
00:50:10,174 --> 00:50:12,574
Keep them away from them.
911
00:50:12,576 --> 00:50:14,810
[Dave] From who, Eliza?
912
00:50:17,114 --> 00:50:19,648
One of the most concerning
pieces of evidence to me
913
00:50:19,650 --> 00:50:22,851
is one of the EVPs
that Chris and Luann captured
914
00:50:22,853 --> 00:50:25,254
in her first
overnight investigation.
915
00:50:25,321 --> 00:50:27,656
She plays one for me that
916
00:50:27,724 --> 00:50:31,060
really kind of seems very
weird and mysterious, right?
917
00:50:31,127 --> 00:50:35,330
She plays this, and I believe the
question you asked was "who's here?"
918
00:50:35,332 --> 00:50:37,133
And she gets a response.
919
00:50:41,671 --> 00:50:45,541
So this word has been
kind of a puzzle for us.
920
00:50:45,608 --> 00:50:48,343
We can't find any translation
that seems to make sense.
921
00:50:48,345 --> 00:50:51,146
It's not a name that's
associated with this home.
922
00:50:51,148 --> 00:50:52,681
And immediately
what comes to mind
923
00:50:52,683 --> 00:50:54,216
when you hear a name like that?
924
00:50:54,284 --> 00:50:56,819
I automatically thought
demon when I first heard that,
925
00:50:56,887 --> 00:50:59,621
or something that was not human.
926
00:50:59,623 --> 00:51:02,224
But we know demons
don't give up their names,
927
00:51:02,226 --> 00:51:04,727
because when they do,
they can be extracted.
928
00:51:05,428 --> 00:51:06,896
So it's something...
929
00:51:06,963 --> 00:51:09,432
you mentioned that you
wondered if it was an anagram,
930
00:51:09,499 --> 00:51:11,233
or if it was a game
that this thing was playing,
931
00:51:11,235 --> 00:51:13,969
that there was
multiple meanings.
932
00:51:13,971 --> 00:51:17,106
So today I started to try
to break down this concept,
933
00:51:17,173 --> 00:51:18,340
and where are we?
934
00:51:19,042 --> 00:51:21,376
Who walked this land?
935
00:51:21,378 --> 00:51:23,378
And could this
be the dark energy
936
00:51:23,380 --> 00:51:26,582
that's plagued Lizzie's
family for generations?
937
00:51:26,584 --> 00:51:29,184
I did a little bit
more digging and research.
938
00:51:29,186 --> 00:51:31,720
I contacted some
locals in the area.
939
00:51:31,722 --> 00:51:35,057
We know that the Wampanoag indigenous
people were settled in this area.
940
00:51:35,125 --> 00:51:36,592
I wanted to see
if there was somebody
941
00:51:36,594 --> 00:51:38,727
that could explain
the word to me.
942
00:51:38,729 --> 00:51:40,129
And I reached out
to a friend of mine
943
00:51:40,196 --> 00:51:42,198
from the Native American
community.
944
00:51:42,265 --> 00:51:43,799
She was a little stumped,
945
00:51:43,801 --> 00:51:47,470
but she dug through
and found an Algonquin word.
946
00:51:47,537 --> 00:51:49,872
And there's a loose
derivation of this word,
947
00:51:49,939 --> 00:51:53,342
which means, "he died," ankelo.
948
00:51:53,344 --> 00:51:54,676
- [Luann] You're kidding.
- [Dave] So,
949
00:51:54,678 --> 00:51:56,478
[Dave] there's one version
which makes sense.
950
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,948
In this home that we're in, where
a man was brutally murdered,
951
00:51:59,015 --> 00:52:01,417
a woman brutally murdered,
we get, he died.
952
00:52:01,484 --> 00:52:03,285
Then the bombshell hits.
953
00:52:03,353 --> 00:52:05,554
Another friend of mine
comes to me and says,
954
00:52:05,622 --> 00:52:07,289
this is Italian.
955
00:52:07,291 --> 00:52:10,092
And what it's telling you
is, "The veil."
956
00:52:10,094 --> 00:52:12,961
So it's giving answers
in multiple tongues,
957
00:52:12,963 --> 00:52:16,365
which again
seems demonic in nature.
958
00:52:16,367 --> 00:52:19,702
And without explaining
to him what I was asking for,
959
00:52:19,769 --> 00:52:23,405
he goes on to describe, as
in a wolf in sheep's clothes.
960
00:52:25,909 --> 00:52:29,712
I was upstairs and the thing
was coming through,
961
00:52:29,779 --> 00:52:31,246
and I was connecting with it,
962
00:52:31,248 --> 00:52:33,849
and I felt the anger and
then it called me something.
963
00:52:33,917 --> 00:52:36,552
So this thing is
taking the face of many names.
964
00:52:38,054 --> 00:52:40,556
Oh, it's pissed now.
It's [bleep] pissed.
965
00:52:43,126 --> 00:52:45,060
It just called me a bastard.
966
00:52:45,062 --> 00:52:47,262
And I told the producer,
I said write this down.
967
00:52:47,264 --> 00:52:48,730
I want that piece of paper
968
00:52:48,732 --> 00:52:50,732
in the middle of
the table on the seance.
969
00:52:50,734 --> 00:52:52,601
This thing has many faces.
970
00:52:52,669 --> 00:52:55,971
And that's how it stays
hidden, is it tricks people.
971
00:52:57,807 --> 00:53:00,876
[Dave] So, could Anvelo
be the dark energy
972
00:53:00,878 --> 00:53:03,478
conjured by the Borden
family curse?
973
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,616
Maybe it's all derivations
of the exact same thing.
974
00:53:07,618 --> 00:53:10,085
That's what this word
seems to be,
975
00:53:10,153 --> 00:53:13,555
something that can plug in
and fit perfectly like a game
976
00:53:13,557 --> 00:53:15,291
this thing is playing with us.
977
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,795
I don't question
that there aren't fragments...
978
00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:23,165
of each one of the people
979
00:53:23,167 --> 00:53:25,634
that have passed
through this house
980
00:53:25,702 --> 00:53:29,371
in the final moments of their
life in panic and in shock,
981
00:53:29,373 --> 00:53:31,173
as they're being
brutally murdered.
982
00:53:33,509 --> 00:53:37,046
That had to fracture, that
had to leave a psychic scar.
983
00:53:39,315 --> 00:53:42,918
Lizzie's name has
been evoked so many times.
984
00:53:42,986 --> 00:53:47,656
How could a fragment of who
she is not be a part of this house?
985
00:53:47,724 --> 00:53:50,793
This is a feeding ground
for dark energy,
986
00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:52,861
because everybody comes here
987
00:53:52,863 --> 00:53:55,197
anticipating the allure
of being in a house
988
00:53:55,265 --> 00:53:56,999
where brutal murders took place.
989
00:53:57,001 --> 00:53:58,467
Some revel in it.
990
00:53:58,534 --> 00:54:00,269
Some worship it.
991
00:54:00,271 --> 00:54:06,342
And it's created a cathedral
of chaos in one place.
992
00:54:06,409 --> 00:54:08,944
So as we decide, if we even want
to move forward with the seance,
993
00:54:08,946 --> 00:54:13,015
we all have to consider the very
real possibility that this dark force,
994
00:54:13,082 --> 00:54:14,483
it may come through,
995
00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:16,551
that the demon
from the Borden curse
996
00:54:16,553 --> 00:54:18,954
may come after each
one of us, personally.
997
00:54:18,956 --> 00:54:21,890
I want to bring something
up with Chris's permission.
998
00:54:21,892 --> 00:54:22,758
[Chris] Mm-hmm.
999
00:54:24,227 --> 00:54:26,628
When you came to
visit with us yesterday, Sam.
1000
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:27,696
Yeah?
1001
00:54:27,698 --> 00:54:29,498
You were sitting on the couch,
1002
00:54:29,565 --> 00:54:32,901
we were talking, Chris started to
become very physically agitated,
1003
00:54:32,969 --> 00:54:34,436
and in pain.
1004
00:54:34,438 --> 00:54:37,439
He had to leave the house
to collect himself.
1005
00:54:37,441 --> 00:54:40,776
And you told us,
there's someone here.
1006
00:54:40,778 --> 00:54:43,312
I feel it's like a father
force, a father figure,
1007
00:54:43,379 --> 00:54:45,381
his dad, Reggie,
1008
00:54:45,448 --> 00:54:48,450
and then you paused and you
said, "And there's somebody else".
1009
00:54:48,452 --> 00:54:52,054
"There's a health issue
involved, and that's why he's here".
1010
00:54:52,121 --> 00:54:53,322
Yeah.
1011
00:54:53,389 --> 00:54:56,058
And Chris received
a message today.
1012
00:54:56,060 --> 00:54:58,260
Would you share with
the team what's going on?
1013
00:54:58,262 --> 00:55:00,262
[sighs] Yeah.
1014
00:55:00,330 --> 00:55:02,597
I just got a call
that my mom collapsed,
1015
00:55:02,632 --> 00:55:05,734
and she was unconscious,
1016
00:55:05,736 --> 00:55:09,104
and I'm waiting to hear back,
what's the condition.
1017
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:11,807
Then it hits me, going, "My God,
1018
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:13,675
since I've been in this house,
I've had nothing but headaches
1019
00:55:13,677 --> 00:55:15,143
because it
doesn't want me here."
1020
00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:17,412
So what they will do
is if they can't get at you,
1021
00:55:17,414 --> 00:55:20,649
they will go at people
that are close to you.
1022
00:55:25,755 --> 00:55:27,623
This is a point
where I think each one of us
1023
00:55:27,690 --> 00:55:29,825
need to kind of
sit back and reflect
1024
00:55:29,827 --> 00:55:33,362
on how much further
we want to push.
1025
00:55:33,364 --> 00:55:36,432
I don't know if we're
getting deeper in danger
1026
00:55:36,499 --> 00:55:39,635
for any one of these team
members or somebody we love,
1027
00:55:39,702 --> 00:55:42,838
by what we're doing,
in trying to reveal the truth.
1028
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,108
That side doesn't want
to be uncovered.
1029
00:55:46,110 --> 00:55:49,611
To tell the truth and help
Eliza and her children.
1030
00:55:58,922 --> 00:56:01,056
To help the memory
of the Bordens?
1031
00:56:01,058 --> 00:56:01,924
Yeah.
1032
00:56:04,193 --> 00:56:05,728
Is it worth the cost
to one of us?
1033
00:56:05,795 --> 00:56:07,062
[voice breaks] Yeah.
1034
00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:08,430
[sniffles]
1035
00:56:16,906 --> 00:56:20,542
[Dave] All right, we've all had a
little chance to take a breather.
1036
00:56:21,844 --> 00:56:23,779
Moving forward.
1037
00:56:23,846 --> 00:56:26,915
The concept and idea was
facing this head-on tonight,
1038
00:56:26,983 --> 00:56:29,518
and having a seance.
1039
00:56:29,585 --> 00:56:32,654
Our hope is to make contact
with the dark energy
1040
00:56:32,656 --> 00:56:35,524
and to possibly break
the Borden family curse,
1041
00:56:35,526 --> 00:56:38,861
bringing peace to Lizzie
and the other spirits.
1042
00:56:38,928 --> 00:56:41,130
Her great aunt Eliza
and her children,
1043
00:56:41,197 --> 00:56:44,800
who are trapped or perhaps
being tormented in the afterlife.
1044
00:56:44,867 --> 00:56:48,203
We know the dangers,
we know the possibilities,
1045
00:56:49,672 --> 00:56:51,407
but we also know why we're here.
1046
00:56:51,474 --> 00:56:53,475
This is what we do,
1047
00:56:53,543 --> 00:56:55,010
but I want this to be something
1048
00:56:55,012 --> 00:56:57,012
that everybody's comfortable
with, and if you're not,
1049
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,748
no harm, no foul.
1050
00:56:59,816 --> 00:57:02,217
There's absolutely
no love lost between us
1051
00:57:02,285 --> 00:57:04,953
if you decide to step away
from this, this evening.
1052
00:57:05,955 --> 00:57:08,023
It's time we sift through
the lies.
1053
00:57:08,090 --> 00:57:11,427
It's time we sift
through all of the legend
1054
00:57:11,494 --> 00:57:13,228
and get to the heart
of this story.
1055
00:57:13,296 --> 00:57:16,498
We may have a fight
on our hands.
1056
00:57:16,533 --> 00:57:20,769
There is something here that
doesn't want to be interfered with.
1057
00:57:20,771 --> 00:57:23,038
Are you okay doing
this tonight, are you in?
1058
00:57:25,508 --> 00:57:26,508
I'm in, yeah, I'm in.
1059
00:57:26,510 --> 00:57:28,109
- [Dave] Chris?
- [Chris] Oh, yeah, absolutely.
1060
00:57:28,111 --> 00:57:29,711
- Luann?
- Yes.
1061
00:57:30,580 --> 00:57:31,613
[Dave] Let's do it.
1062
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:38,854
[Dave] We've chosen
to perform the seance
1063
00:57:38,856 --> 00:57:41,390
in the actual bedroom
where Lizzie Borden
1064
00:57:41,457 --> 00:57:44,059
spent most of her time
in this house.
1065
00:57:44,126 --> 00:57:47,529
And if the dark entity
attached itself to Lizzie,
1066
00:57:47,531 --> 00:57:49,398
this is where we're most
likely gonna find it.
1067
00:57:49,465 --> 00:57:52,267
It's go time,
we are set up for the seance.
1068
00:57:52,269 --> 00:57:54,670
I've got the entire
table rigged with GoPros
1069
00:57:54,737 --> 00:57:58,006
that will catch action
from every angle.
1070
00:57:58,008 --> 00:57:59,675
If the spirit manifests itself,
1071
00:57:59,742 --> 00:58:01,777
we are gonna
capture something tonight.
1072
00:58:05,682 --> 00:58:07,816
We're about to open
a portal here,
1073
00:58:07,818 --> 00:58:10,752
a potential doorway to evil.
1074
00:58:10,820 --> 00:58:15,690
This is the most dangerous
paranormal contact for anyone to attempt.
1075
00:58:15,692 --> 00:58:17,493
There've been very few seances
1076
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:18,827
actually conducted in this house
1077
00:58:18,895 --> 00:58:20,963
because of
those dangers involved.
1078
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:22,831
[scream]
1079
00:58:22,899 --> 00:58:26,902
[Dave] We're trying to discover
and contact the source of this curse.
1080
00:58:28,771 --> 00:58:31,106
Well, we've all
agreed to come here
1081
00:58:31,108 --> 00:58:33,575
to try to help the spirits
1082
00:58:33,643 --> 00:58:35,577
that are part of
the Borden household,
1083
00:58:35,645 --> 00:58:37,446
the spirits that have
reached out for help,
1084
00:58:37,513 --> 00:58:39,982
from Eliza and her two children
1085
00:58:40,049 --> 00:58:43,452
to Elizabeth
and the Bordens directly,
1086
00:58:43,519 --> 00:58:45,921
to see if we can lift
this curse,
1087
00:58:45,988 --> 00:58:48,390
lift this burden that's
been put on their shoulders.
1088
00:58:48,457 --> 00:58:50,259
We might as well begin.
[sighs]
1089
00:58:50,326 --> 00:58:54,663
[Dave] Each person has an
important role to play during the seance.
1090
00:58:54,730 --> 00:58:57,132
Luann has a strong
connection to this house,
1091
00:58:57,934 --> 00:58:59,735
In capturing the Anvelo EVP.
1092
00:59:03,339 --> 00:59:05,040
Will the demon come out tonight?
1093
00:59:07,777 --> 00:59:09,845
Sam is related to Lizzie Borden,
1094
00:59:09,912 --> 00:59:13,315
and has channeled the spirit
of Lizzie's great Aunt Eliza.
1095
00:59:13,382 --> 00:59:17,119
She drowned her children in
the house directly next door,
1096
00:59:17,186 --> 00:59:20,656
44 years before
the Borden murders.
1097
00:59:20,723 --> 00:59:22,791
Will she make contact again,
1098
00:59:22,858 --> 00:59:25,193
and bring them peace
in the afterlife?
1099
00:59:25,261 --> 00:59:27,996
Me, I'm gonna open myself
and my body
1100
00:59:28,064 --> 00:59:30,666
to whatever spirits need
to help them.
1101
00:59:30,733 --> 00:59:34,002
And finally, there's Chris,
the leader of the seance.
1102
00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:37,139
He understands the dangers
better than any of us.
1103
00:59:37,206 --> 00:59:40,008
A seance opens a door
to the other side,
1104
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:44,145
inviting in good
and sometimes bad spirits.
1105
00:59:44,147 --> 00:59:46,815
They can take over
your body and attach to you,
1106
00:59:46,817 --> 00:59:48,150
or in the best case scenario
1107
00:59:48,217 --> 00:59:51,620
you'll find out who
or what you're dealing with,
1108
00:59:51,687 --> 00:59:53,555
and then close that door.
1109
00:59:53,623 --> 00:59:56,891
But we all have to be aware
of the worst case scenario.
1110
00:59:56,893 --> 00:59:58,827
When you give
that kind of permission,
1111
00:59:58,894 --> 01:00:02,831
anything can
walk through, anything.
1112
01:00:02,898 --> 01:00:05,500
Chris's number one job
is to keep us safe.
1113
01:00:06,836 --> 01:00:11,707
[Chris] First thing we do is to
relax the body and the mind,
1114
01:00:11,774 --> 01:00:13,442
to loosen the consciousness,
1115
01:00:13,509 --> 01:00:16,711
but not loosen the soul
where it leaves the body.
1116
01:00:16,713 --> 01:00:19,081
Each one of our souls
needs to stay within the body.
1117
01:00:19,983 --> 01:00:21,683
-Breathe in,
-[all inhale]
1118
01:00:23,386 --> 01:00:25,520
- breathe out.
- [all exhale]
1119
01:00:27,256 --> 01:00:29,324
-Breathe in,
-[all inhale]
1120
01:00:30,393 --> 01:00:33,528
- breathe out.
- [all exhale]
1121
01:00:33,596 --> 01:00:35,664
People say, "Hey, are you gonna be
able to communicate with this spirit?
1122
01:00:35,731 --> 01:00:37,532
Are you gonna be successful
in getting rid of this?"
1123
01:00:37,534 --> 01:00:38,934
I don't know till I'm there.
1124
01:00:39,001 --> 01:00:40,669
I don't know till
I am facing this thing
1125
01:00:40,736 --> 01:00:42,471
and confronting this,
what can be done.
1126
01:00:43,539 --> 01:00:47,643
Gonna ask the spirits
that reside in this house,
1127
01:00:48,544 --> 01:00:50,812
can already feel
some of your presence,
1128
01:00:52,348 --> 01:00:55,150
to not be afraid,
but to come forward,
1129
01:00:55,217 --> 01:00:58,887
to speak to us,
we have some questions,
1130
01:00:58,954 --> 01:01:02,290
but we also have a purpose.
1131
01:01:02,358 --> 01:01:04,459
And I believe
you know that purpose.
1132
01:01:08,164 --> 01:01:10,732
Feel free to speak to us.
1133
01:01:22,645 --> 01:01:23,978
[thump]
1134
01:01:23,980 --> 01:01:25,847
- Are you hearing that?
- [Sam] Yeah.
1135
01:01:25,915 --> 01:01:28,917
Something is knocking on the
underside of the table, moving around us.
1136
01:01:31,988 --> 01:01:33,221
[Chris] And moving around
the room.
1137
01:01:35,124 --> 01:01:36,058
It's multiple.
1138
01:01:38,994 --> 01:01:41,262
I think Lizzie's present too,
but she's waiting.
1139
01:01:41,264 --> 01:01:42,497
She is, she's watching.
1140
01:01:43,833 --> 01:01:44,900
Call Elizabeth.
1141
01:01:47,269 --> 01:01:48,603
Elizabeth, is that you with us?
1142
01:01:48,671 --> 01:01:50,605
Can you knock the table
if that's you?
1143
01:01:53,609 --> 01:01:56,678
Elizabeth, I promised you
that I would not call you here.
1144
01:01:56,746 --> 01:01:59,081
This is special,
this is for the children.
1145
01:02:00,483 --> 01:02:02,784
This is your chance
to redeem yourself.
1146
01:02:04,153 --> 01:02:05,954
You are a good person,
I know you.
1147
01:02:06,021 --> 01:02:07,489
I know you, you're a good girl.
1148
01:02:07,556 --> 01:02:08,490
You're a good daughter.
1149
01:02:14,363 --> 01:02:16,031
It said,
"Back off a second."
1150
01:02:16,098 --> 01:02:17,432
Allow it to come through.
1151
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,040
[Chris] You okay, Dave?
1152
01:02:26,042 --> 01:02:27,642
Yeah, I don't know
what's going on there, buddy.
1153
01:02:27,710 --> 01:02:29,611
-[Chris] It's Elizabeth. It's her.
-[table thumps]
1154
01:02:30,980 --> 01:02:32,180
Are you choosing Dave?
1155
01:02:33,916 --> 01:02:35,250
Okay.
1156
01:02:35,252 --> 01:02:37,185
- [table rattling] - Just trust me,
Dave, allow it to come through.
1157
01:02:37,586 --> 01:02:38,453
All right?
1158
01:02:40,990 --> 01:02:41,857
Just trust me, Dave, it's okay.
1159
01:02:41,924 --> 01:02:43,125
No, I don't want to let go.
1160
01:02:43,192 --> 01:02:44,126
Trust me.
1161
01:02:44,860 --> 01:02:46,695
Trust me, Dave, okay?
1162
01:02:48,397 --> 01:02:49,297
Take the pen.
1163
01:02:53,469 --> 01:02:54,503
[Luann] Back off.
1164
01:02:55,805 --> 01:02:57,539
[grunts]
1165
01:02:57,541 --> 01:02:59,874
No, I don't like this, Chris.
I don't like this.
1166
01:02:59,876 --> 01:03:01,209
I don't have control of my arm.
1167
01:03:01,277 --> 01:03:02,677
- I don't like this at all.
- I know that.
1168
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:04,346
- [Chris] I know that, Dave, trust me.
- [Luann] You're okay.
1169
01:03:09,051 --> 01:03:10,585
It's just a form
of communication.
1170
01:03:12,188 --> 01:03:13,388
[Luann] I'm holding on.
1171
01:03:13,390 --> 01:03:17,525
[Chris] I know,
but it's not used to it.
1172
01:03:17,527 --> 01:03:19,327
Slow down, relax.
1173
01:03:19,395 --> 01:03:21,530
I can't let go,
I'm not fighting it.
1174
01:03:21,597 --> 01:03:22,864
Okay, just let it go.
1175
01:03:22,866 --> 01:03:24,533
It's only gonna use
the arm, trust me.
1176
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,902
It only has permission
at this moment to use the arm.
1177
01:03:28,003 --> 01:03:29,871
This is a form
of automatic writing.
1178
01:03:29,873 --> 01:03:31,273
It's very weird.
1179
01:03:31,340 --> 01:03:32,340
Allow it.
1180
01:03:34,477 --> 01:03:36,144
Calm down, spirit, calm down.
1181
01:03:38,214 --> 01:03:39,080
No more.
1182
01:03:40,883 --> 01:03:42,651
Okay, what do
you mean by no more?
1183
01:03:46,222 --> 01:03:47,856
Yes. No more, okay, I know.
1184
01:03:50,226 --> 01:03:51,493
Just relax, Dave.
1185
01:03:52,428 --> 01:03:53,695
What do you mean "no more"?
1186
01:03:53,697 --> 01:03:54,830
Is this Lizzie?
1187
01:03:57,366 --> 01:03:58,300
Is this Lizzie?
1188
01:04:01,437 --> 01:04:02,871
I believe that's yes, okay.
1189
01:04:05,241 --> 01:04:08,577
Lizzie, I'm here
to help you, okay?
1190
01:04:09,045 --> 01:04:10,045
All of us are.
1191
01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:12,948
You must tell the truth,
1192
01:04:14,050 --> 01:04:15,951
and I know you're tired
of hearing it.
1193
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,254
Did you physically do it?
1194
01:04:22,058 --> 01:04:23,658
Why does that
feel like it's lifting me?
1195
01:04:25,794 --> 01:04:27,929
Just relax, Dave, it's okay.
1196
01:04:27,931 --> 01:04:31,366
I know it's scary,
just trust me.
1197
01:04:32,535 --> 01:04:34,069
Something's trying
to pull you away, Lizzie.
1198
01:04:34,136 --> 01:04:35,670
- Something's trying to pull you out.
- [exhales]
1199
01:04:35,738 --> 01:04:36,805
Come back, you have permission.
1200
01:04:38,741 --> 01:04:41,910
Lizzie, did you physically
do it?
1201
01:04:43,012 --> 01:04:43,979
Yes or no?
1202
01:04:48,083 --> 01:04:49,284
"No," okay.
1203
01:04:49,351 --> 01:04:51,052
[Sam] Was it a demon, Lizzie?
1204
01:04:52,955 --> 01:04:54,456
Do you know who did it?
1205
01:04:56,759 --> 01:04:57,626
No?
1206
01:04:59,628 --> 01:05:01,763
But you're in spirit now,
so you can see,
1207
01:05:01,830 --> 01:05:03,965
you can have access
to who did it.
1208
01:05:04,033 --> 01:05:07,969
Was it a male that
did it, a male, a man?
1209
01:05:07,971 --> 01:05:09,037
Yes or no?
1210
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:11,773
No.
1211
01:05:11,775 --> 01:05:13,842
Lizzie, why are
you pointing to me?
1212
01:05:13,909 --> 01:05:14,910
[Luann] No more.
1213
01:05:14,977 --> 01:05:15,810
[Chris] No more.
1214
01:05:17,179 --> 01:05:19,848
Okay you're tired of
hearing about it.
1215
01:05:19,915 --> 01:05:22,450
[Dave] I don't know what
this is, Chris. I don't feel it.
1216
01:05:22,518 --> 01:05:24,019
[Chris] Don't worry, okay?
1217
01:05:25,121 --> 01:05:26,554
It's only gonna be temporary.
1218
01:05:27,856 --> 01:05:29,791
Lizzie, what do
you want to tell us?
1219
01:05:29,858 --> 01:05:32,127
Do you want us to stop
bringing up the past?
1220
01:05:32,194 --> 01:05:33,528
Is that what you're saying?
1221
01:05:36,666 --> 01:05:38,400
[Dave] I don't know
what the hell that is.
1222
01:05:38,467 --> 01:05:39,634
- [Chris] Lie.
- [Dave] Lie?
1223
01:05:41,470 --> 01:05:42,337
L-I-E.
1224
01:05:43,472 --> 01:05:44,672
[Luann] Yes.
1225
01:05:44,674 --> 01:05:47,275
Oh, so the past is a lie,
you did not do it.
1226
01:05:49,878 --> 01:05:50,812
Yes.
1227
01:05:50,814 --> 01:05:51,813
[Luann] It's okay.
1228
01:05:51,815 --> 01:05:53,614
Okay, okay it's okay.
1229
01:05:53,616 --> 01:05:55,050
You told me you didn't do it.
1230
01:05:55,885 --> 01:05:56,785
I believe you.
1231
01:05:57,954 --> 01:06:00,522
Lizzie, stop
for a second, relax.
1232
01:06:01,423 --> 01:06:02,890
Okay?
1233
01:06:02,892 --> 01:06:04,559
If you don't respect this body,
1234
01:06:04,626 --> 01:06:06,427
I have to remove you from it.
1235
01:06:06,429 --> 01:06:07,295
Come on.
1236
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:09,697
Speak to us.
1237
01:06:09,699 --> 01:06:11,633
I'm trying to,
I just don't like this, man.
1238
01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:13,034
It doesn't feel right.
1239
01:06:13,102 --> 01:06:16,171
I don't think this is a woman.
I don't think this is a woman.
1240
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,507
I don't like it, Chris.
1241
01:06:19,575 --> 01:06:20,909
[Chris] All right, enough.
1242
01:06:22,711 --> 01:06:23,578
Enough.
1243
01:06:25,848 --> 01:06:26,982
[Chris] It's all right, brother.
1244
01:06:27,049 --> 01:06:27,882
[groans]
1245
01:06:28,384 --> 01:06:31,186
[Chris] Okay, relax.
1246
01:06:31,253 --> 01:06:34,188
- Listen, I want you to listen.
- [sighs]
1247
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:36,858
This is gonna just linger
for a little bit, okay?
1248
01:06:36,860 --> 01:06:38,193
Trust me, give me your hand now.
1249
01:06:38,260 --> 01:06:39,794
- [Dave] Sure.
- [Chris] All right.
1250
01:06:42,732 --> 01:06:44,132
[Chris] That's
the first time that Dave
1251
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:45,733
has experienced
something like that.
1252
01:06:45,735 --> 01:06:47,335
And I've known him for 17 years,
1253
01:06:47,337 --> 01:06:49,137
and I believe
one of the reasons is,
1254
01:06:49,204 --> 01:06:51,739
Dave is a little
skeptical of mediumship,
1255
01:06:51,741 --> 01:06:54,275
channeling, automatic writing.
1256
01:06:54,277 --> 01:06:57,211
So Lizzie decided
I'm gonna go through him,
1257
01:06:57,213 --> 01:06:58,546
teach him something.
1258
01:06:59,748 --> 01:07:01,616
Dave, how are you feeling?
Better?
1259
01:07:01,683 --> 01:07:03,618
Just [bleep] worn out,
and in a lot of pain.
1260
01:07:03,685 --> 01:07:05,787
Okay.
I think she's gone.
1261
01:07:07,156 --> 01:07:08,089
Let's keep going.
1262
01:07:10,292 --> 01:07:11,459
[breathing heavily]
1263
01:07:17,166 --> 01:07:20,101
Something's moving around
under the table with us.
1264
01:07:20,103 --> 01:07:22,804
Can you feel it? I mean, it's
bumping and moving around us.
1265
01:07:26,108 --> 01:07:27,642
It's just to scare you,
it's swarming.
1266
01:07:28,444 --> 01:07:30,011
I think it's the dark energy.
1267
01:07:31,447 --> 01:07:32,447
[Luann] It's...
1268
01:07:32,514 --> 01:07:33,715
[Chris] They feed off of fears.
1269
01:07:33,782 --> 01:07:35,050
Not nice.
1270
01:07:35,117 --> 01:07:36,117
[Chris] Don't worry.
1271
01:07:37,986 --> 01:07:39,187
[breathing heavily]
1272
01:07:42,925 --> 01:07:45,193
[Luann] It's really pissed off.
1273
01:07:45,195 --> 01:07:46,995
[Chris] I know, I know.
1274
01:07:53,102 --> 01:07:56,538
Write a word for me. What are
you trying to say? Write a word.
1275
01:07:57,239 --> 01:07:58,106
All right.
1276
01:07:59,775 --> 01:08:01,175
Relax, Luann.
1277
01:08:01,177 --> 01:08:03,111
- [exhales]
- It's only temporary.
1278
01:08:03,178 --> 01:08:04,212
Are you Lizzie?
1279
01:08:04,847 --> 01:08:05,780
Yes or no?
1280
01:08:05,848 --> 01:08:09,184
[groans]
1281
01:08:09,251 --> 01:08:10,985
It's saying backwards, "Yes."
1282
01:08:10,987 --> 01:08:12,520
I don't really like this.
1283
01:08:12,588 --> 01:08:14,522
Okay this is,
this is not Lizzie.
1284
01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:16,391
Okay, I'm gonna ask you to...
1285
01:08:18,527 --> 01:08:20,228
I'm gonna tell you to leave now.
1286
01:08:21,530 --> 01:08:22,663
You must leave now.
1287
01:08:22,665 --> 01:08:25,100
[Luann breathing heavily]
1288
01:08:26,468 --> 01:08:27,302
[Chris] Listen to me.
1289
01:08:28,503 --> 01:08:29,504
Who are you?
1290
01:08:30,272 --> 01:08:32,140
[Luann groans]
1291
01:08:32,142 --> 01:08:33,708
[Chris] You're not human,
you're drawing.
1292
01:08:35,077 --> 01:08:36,878
6-6-6. Okay.
1293
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,414
She just drew 666 in reverse.
1294
01:08:39,481 --> 01:08:42,683
[narrator] Something started
affecting Luann more negatively.
1295
01:08:42,685 --> 01:08:46,020
I believe she was making
contact with that dark energy,
1296
01:08:46,088 --> 01:08:49,357
possibly the same from
the Borden family curse.
1297
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:53,828
I think it's Anvelo or
something that infests that home
1298
01:08:53,830 --> 01:08:55,463
and takes many guises.
1299
01:08:56,832 --> 01:08:57,932
It doesn't scare me.
1300
01:09:02,438 --> 01:09:03,538
There is no fear.
1301
01:09:08,644 --> 01:09:10,111
I don't know what it needs,
1302
01:09:10,113 --> 01:09:12,580
- but it needs something and it's not good.
- I understand.
1303
01:09:12,648 --> 01:09:13,915
I understand that.
1304
01:09:13,982 --> 01:09:15,617
I think it wants us to die.
1305
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:19,053
Are you one of the fallen?
1306
01:09:19,121 --> 01:09:20,855
It doesn't want to talk.
1307
01:09:20,923 --> 01:09:21,923
[Chris] I know you don't.
1308
01:09:21,925 --> 01:09:23,124
[Luann] It doesn't want to talk.
1309
01:09:23,126 --> 01:09:24,392
[Chris] Of course it doesn't,
1310
01:09:24,394 --> 01:09:26,060
it doesn't want the truth,
that's why.
1311
01:09:27,396 --> 01:09:30,131
It's time for you to go home.
1312
01:09:30,133 --> 01:09:34,268
You've been feeding off of
the regret and fear of others.
1313
01:09:34,270 --> 01:09:37,071
- [exhales] - You've been
feeding off of the pain of others,
1314
01:09:37,139 --> 01:09:40,742
because of the pain that you
have from thousands of years ago.
1315
01:09:42,277 --> 01:09:44,212
I'm gonna face this dark energy.
1316
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:45,380
Look at me.
1317
01:09:46,148 --> 01:09:48,449
Look at me.
1318
01:09:50,686 --> 01:09:54,088
There is no violence
or hate or anger behind me.
1319
01:10:01,496 --> 01:10:03,965
- [exhales] - All right, this
is what we're gonna do now.
1320
01:10:04,033 --> 01:10:05,833
I'm gonna use this spirit box.
1321
01:10:05,835 --> 01:10:09,437
I am doing this so
that we can listen in
1322
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,372
on the invisible spectrum,
1323
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:12,840
to hear some of the spirits
1324
01:10:12,908 --> 01:10:15,910
that are starting
to surround us.
1325
01:10:20,049 --> 01:10:21,416
We're gonna do
this together, Sam.
1326
01:10:22,585 --> 01:10:23,885
You guys give me your hands.
1327
01:10:32,127 --> 01:10:33,461
[exhales]
1328
01:10:34,730 --> 01:10:38,032
Now, I asked the Bordens,
their spirits to come forward.
1329
01:10:39,201 --> 01:10:40,935
Lizzie, can you hear me?
1330
01:10:40,937 --> 01:10:44,405
[radio static crackling]
1331
01:10:44,473 --> 01:10:45,540
[Chris] I feel your presence.
1332
01:10:45,607 --> 01:10:48,543
[radio static crackling]
1333
01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:49,811
Can you speak to us?
1334
01:10:49,878 --> 01:10:51,145
[radio static crackling]
1335
01:10:51,213 --> 01:10:52,213
You have permission.
1336
01:10:52,281 --> 01:10:53,414
[radio static crackling]
1337
01:10:53,482 --> 01:10:55,750
[unintelligible music and words]
1338
01:10:58,020 --> 01:10:59,220
[Chris] Did you hear that?
1339
01:10:59,288 --> 01:11:01,089
Yeah.
1340
01:11:01,156 --> 01:11:03,958
[Dave] I heard there
is a demon in this house.
1341
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,893
[Chris] Whoa,
that's confirmation.
1342
01:11:05,961 --> 01:11:07,829
The demon is here with us.
1343
01:11:10,499 --> 01:11:13,234
Why was this told to me,
the faces of many names,
1344
01:11:13,236 --> 01:11:14,168
who is that?
1345
01:11:16,438 --> 01:11:17,572
Did it say, "pure evil"?
1346
01:11:17,639 --> 01:11:18,773
That just say "pure evil"?
1347
01:11:18,775 --> 01:11:19,641
Yeah, pure evil.
1348
01:11:21,310 --> 01:11:22,777
[Chris] There is something
out there
1349
01:11:22,844 --> 01:11:27,448
that has a shape or a form,
that may change over time.
1350
01:11:27,450 --> 01:11:30,585
And that has many faces,
and many names.
1351
01:11:30,652 --> 01:11:33,254
And when we say, well,
it's the devil or it's Satan,
1352
01:11:33,256 --> 01:11:35,690
or it's this evil person,
how could somebody do that?
1353
01:11:36,325 --> 01:11:37,792
Well what is it all?
1354
01:11:37,859 --> 01:11:39,294
It's all just evil.
1355
01:11:40,395 --> 01:11:43,664
It is now time to confront
this dark energy
1356
01:11:43,666 --> 01:11:46,267
and break the family curse.
1357
01:11:46,269 --> 01:11:49,337
No other entities are allowed
to enter into this domain.
1358
01:11:50,606 --> 01:11:51,806
It's being shut down.
1359
01:11:53,675 --> 01:11:56,077
I ask the holy angels
to come forward
1360
01:11:57,212 --> 01:12:00,014
and to assist in removing
this infestation,
1361
01:12:01,483 --> 01:12:04,885
to wipe clean the past
of the tragedy and the pain.
1362
01:12:04,887 --> 01:12:08,356
We're here to call out
to the souls and spirits
1363
01:12:10,492 --> 01:12:12,026
that have been
wanting to cross over,
1364
01:12:12,028 --> 01:12:13,561
and been wanting
to go home and find peace.
1365
01:12:13,628 --> 01:12:16,998
Allow them to come home, to
be welcome with the creator,
1366
01:12:18,433 --> 01:12:21,969
-to return to peace,
-[sobs]
1367
01:12:21,971 --> 01:12:24,171
to remove the emotions
and the shame.
1368
01:12:24,173 --> 01:12:27,508
[radio static crackling]
1369
01:12:27,576 --> 01:12:29,043
Are you okay, Dave?
1370
01:12:29,045 --> 01:12:32,080
We just ask that you find
the entity known as Anvelo,
1371
01:12:33,382 --> 01:12:37,385
and any other dark manifestations
that may be in this home.
1372
01:12:37,387 --> 01:12:41,655
We rebuke them and heal
the psychic scars of the dead.
1373
01:12:41,657 --> 01:12:45,159
We ask that the lies stop
and that the truths prevail.
1374
01:12:46,395 --> 01:12:49,197
We ask the Borden family
to come forward
1375
01:12:50,465 --> 01:12:52,400
and join us in this plea.
1376
01:12:53,602 --> 01:12:56,737
We ask that you give
the grace of forgiveness
1377
01:12:56,739 --> 01:12:59,374
to Lizzie Borden and her family.
1378
01:12:59,441 --> 01:13:02,042
[thuds]
1379
01:13:02,044 --> 01:13:05,046
[Dave] We ask that you
raise the veil of hatred,
1380
01:13:06,115 --> 01:13:10,050
anger, suspicion,
jealousy, and rage
1381
01:13:10,052 --> 01:13:11,519
that has been put on this house
1382
01:13:11,586 --> 01:13:14,889
and break the curse
of the Borden family.
1383
01:13:19,261 --> 01:13:21,162
It's Eliza. Eliza.
1384
01:13:22,998 --> 01:13:27,468
We invite you into our circle,
Eliza, along with the children.
1385
01:13:28,804 --> 01:13:31,639
[Chris] I hear her saying, "I'm
sorry for bringing you here".
1386
01:13:33,608 --> 01:13:35,810
- [Dave] It's okay.
- [Luann] Don't be sorry.
1387
01:13:35,812 --> 01:13:37,144
[Dave] We're here now together.
1388
01:13:37,146 --> 01:13:38,579
So much pain.
1389
01:13:40,549 --> 01:13:41,816
So much pain.
1390
01:13:43,685 --> 01:13:45,920
[Dave] Did something
influence you, Eliza?
1391
01:13:48,624 --> 01:13:50,057
Do you remember that day?
1392
01:13:53,829 --> 01:13:55,162
[Sam sobbing]
1393
01:13:55,164 --> 01:13:56,764
[Sam] The monster.
1394
01:13:58,033 --> 01:13:59,700
Something affected you?
1395
01:13:59,702 --> 01:14:01,669
The monster.
1396
01:14:03,371 --> 01:14:05,840
[Sam] Please. Please.
1397
01:14:05,842 --> 01:14:08,176
[Dave] Eliza, are you here
with the children now?
1398
01:14:08,243 --> 01:14:09,710
Yes.
1399
01:14:09,712 --> 01:14:12,046
Good, see, this is good,
you're together.
1400
01:14:12,048 --> 01:14:13,448
There's forgiveness.
1401
01:14:13,515 --> 01:14:15,716
Do you see your children
surrounding you, Eliza?
1402
01:14:15,718 --> 01:14:16,651
Oh, my beautiful babies.
1403
01:14:16,718 --> 01:14:18,118
[Dave] Right.
1404
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,387
- The babies.
- Yes.
1405
01:14:20,389 --> 01:14:22,190
You don't need to feel pain now.
1406
01:14:22,257 --> 01:14:25,793
You're forgiven, your
children forgive you, look.
1407
01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:28,529
Look at them,
they surround you in love.
1408
01:14:28,597 --> 01:14:30,698
We invite you
into the circle of love.
1409
01:14:32,267 --> 01:14:35,670
You have to try
to help a soul be put to rest.
1410
01:14:35,737 --> 01:14:39,206
Means to remove
anything keeping them here,
1411
01:14:39,208 --> 01:14:41,809
giving them that freedom,
breaking that shackle.
1412
01:14:41,877 --> 01:14:44,479
Then the angels are there
to help them cross over.
1413
01:14:44,546 --> 01:14:47,481
Eliza, there's a man
with golden hair
1414
01:14:47,483 --> 01:14:49,484
that is descending
down into the light.
1415
01:14:50,819 --> 01:14:53,154
He's offering his hand to you.
1416
01:14:53,221 --> 01:14:55,089
[Sam] She's letting go of me.
1417
01:14:55,156 --> 01:14:57,058
[Chris] Do not be afraid
and go to him.
1418
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,628
He will protect
you from the darkness.
1419
01:15:01,630 --> 01:15:03,898
He is here for you now.
1420
01:15:03,965 --> 01:15:06,234
[Sam] She's got
her arms open wide.
1421
01:15:06,301 --> 01:15:07,735
I'm feeling a cold breeze.
1422
01:15:09,104 --> 01:15:10,271
These children are so special.
1423
01:15:13,375 --> 01:15:15,176
There are more that
are coming out of the light
1424
01:15:15,243 --> 01:15:20,114
that are to create a safe
passage for them with you,
1425
01:15:20,116 --> 01:15:22,216
to break the bond
from the darkness.
1426
01:15:23,252 --> 01:15:24,919
We ask now that
you clear our mind,
1427
01:15:24,986 --> 01:15:28,589
our soul and our bodies of any
energies that are not our own,
1428
01:15:29,791 --> 01:15:33,261
to cast away anything
that means us harm,
1429
01:15:33,328 --> 01:15:36,063
as we end the circle
in light and love,
1430
01:15:36,131 --> 01:15:38,666
brothership, friendship.
1431
01:15:38,733 --> 01:15:41,903
We thank you for your time, for
the spirits that have come forward.
1432
01:15:43,005 --> 01:15:45,940
We beg mercy for those
that are still lost.
1433
01:15:45,942 --> 01:15:49,176
And we thank God above for
all that He's brought to us today.
1434
01:15:49,745 --> 01:15:51,712
- Amen.
- [all] Amen.
1435
01:16:03,892 --> 01:16:05,893
[Chris] Today was a great day.
1436
01:16:05,895 --> 01:16:08,229
There's a multitude of different
things that happened today.
1437
01:16:08,296 --> 01:16:10,230
Each one of us was
obviously brought together
1438
01:16:10,232 --> 01:16:13,768
for a specific
reason, for ourself.
1439
01:16:13,835 --> 01:16:15,703
Dave had his experience.
1440
01:16:15,705 --> 01:16:18,238
Sam had his experience,
Luann had hers.
1441
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,508
I had mine, and together,
1442
01:16:20,575 --> 01:16:23,911
we had experiences with
a multitude of various souls
1443
01:16:23,913 --> 01:16:25,112
that came through,
1444
01:16:25,114 --> 01:16:27,248
that in some way
or some shape or form
1445
01:16:27,315 --> 01:16:28,950
are connected to this place.
1446
01:16:30,318 --> 01:16:34,121
And together we all
collectively experienced it.
1447
01:16:36,124 --> 01:16:38,459
[Dave] Today, we did
what we set out to do.
1448
01:16:38,461 --> 01:16:41,128
We made contact
with the dark energy,
1449
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:44,865
hopefully breaking
the Borden family curse.
1450
01:16:44,867 --> 01:16:46,934
We made contact
with who we believe
1451
01:16:46,936 --> 01:16:50,071
were Lizzie and Eliza
and her children,
1452
01:16:50,138 --> 01:16:52,473
and we sent them
all into the light,
1453
01:16:52,475 --> 01:16:54,475
where they can finally be
at peace.
1454
01:16:54,477 --> 01:16:57,078
[piano light music playing]
1455
01:16:57,145 --> 01:16:58,746
[Dave] There are
no coincidences.
1456
01:17:00,215 --> 01:17:03,818
Luann, she got this information,
1457
01:17:03,885 --> 01:17:05,620
which connected to me,
1458
01:17:05,687 --> 01:17:08,356
which connected to Chris,
which brought in Sam,
1459
01:17:08,423 --> 01:17:12,026
and we became a unit
that could come together,
1460
01:17:12,093 --> 01:17:14,895
with the same ideals,
the same intention
1461
01:17:14,897 --> 01:17:17,431
and the same hopes to help.
1462
01:17:17,499 --> 01:17:21,902
We followed the breadcrumbs,
the trail of information,
1463
01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:24,438
as confusing as it was at times,
1464
01:17:24,506 --> 01:17:29,176
to the conclusion
that there is a haunting.
1465
01:17:29,244 --> 01:17:31,779
There is a curse.
1466
01:17:31,846 --> 01:17:34,448
The curse comes in many layers.
1467
01:17:34,450 --> 01:17:37,985
The house where two
horrific murders took place.
1468
01:17:38,053 --> 01:17:42,189
The psychic scars left behind
from the murder victims
1469
01:17:42,257 --> 01:17:43,958
and the family survivors.
1470
01:17:45,593 --> 01:17:48,195
[Sam] I feel like the work
that we did this week,
1471
01:17:48,197 --> 01:17:50,664
definitely took off a layer,
1472
01:17:50,666 --> 01:17:53,467
a very dangerous layer
on the Borden family curse.
1473
01:17:53,535 --> 01:17:57,705
I knew that I was able to communicate
with spirit and be a clairvoyant.
1474
01:17:58,740 --> 01:18:02,409
It went really dark,
really fast.
1475
01:18:02,411 --> 01:18:05,079
I knew my ancestors
were behind me, supporting me.
1476
01:18:05,081 --> 01:18:06,814
And that is something
I can't even fathom,
1477
01:18:06,881 --> 01:18:08,949
it's like it gives me
so much joy
1478
01:18:08,951 --> 01:18:12,553
to know that they support me
and that I'm not alone.
1479
01:18:12,555 --> 01:18:15,423
I'm different now than I was,
say even a week ago,
1480
01:18:15,490 --> 01:18:18,025
before this investigation began,
1481
01:18:18,093 --> 01:18:21,228
because this taught me
more about humility,
1482
01:18:21,296 --> 01:18:22,629
not just for myself,
1483
01:18:22,631 --> 01:18:25,566
but how we view others
and how others view us.
1484
01:18:26,435 --> 01:18:28,569
I know everybody
wants that answer.
1485
01:18:29,237 --> 01:18:30,204
Who done it?
1486
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,241
We will never know for sure
1487
01:18:34,309 --> 01:18:36,711
who killed Abby
and Andrew Borden.
1488
01:18:36,778 --> 01:18:39,246
If Lizzie committed
those murders,
1489
01:18:39,248 --> 01:18:43,717
or if the dark energy conjured
from the family curse made her do it.
1490
01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:48,388
Anvelo is the entity of
many faces and many names.
1491
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,292
It's what we give it,
what we put into it.
1492
01:18:52,460 --> 01:18:56,864
I believe Anvelo
was this dark guardian
1493
01:18:56,866 --> 01:18:58,999
of the Borden murder house.
1494
01:19:00,936 --> 01:19:02,603
And I believe it was there
for a time,
1495
01:19:02,605 --> 01:19:05,439
but I think it was forced out.
1496
01:19:07,275 --> 01:19:10,611
The house felt different,
like a weight had been lifted.
1497
01:19:10,613 --> 01:19:14,615
[Chris] We brought peace, not only
to the Borden family in a certain way,
1498
01:19:14,617 --> 01:19:16,750
but also we brought peace
to many other spirits
1499
01:19:16,752 --> 01:19:19,953
that have come through
that house, or still remain.
1500
01:19:19,955 --> 01:19:24,191
[Sam] What matters really, is
that they find peace in the afterlife.
1501
01:19:25,427 --> 01:19:28,362
So with that,
I'm extremely grateful.
1502
01:19:28,364 --> 01:19:31,298
[Dave] There's one last thing
we have to do,
1503
01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:35,069
to pay honor to Lizzie, at the
home where she finally passed away.
1504
01:19:35,970 --> 01:19:37,138
Maplecroft.
1505
01:19:42,744 --> 01:19:44,678
[Dave] After Lizzie was
acquitted for the murders,
1506
01:19:44,746 --> 01:19:46,880
she and her sister, Emma,
left the family home,
1507
01:19:46,882 --> 01:19:48,816
and moved just over a mile away,
1508
01:19:48,818 --> 01:19:50,951
where Lizzie spent
the rest of her days.
1509
01:19:52,621 --> 01:19:55,689
Lizzy died in 1927 at age 66,
1510
01:19:55,757 --> 01:19:58,559
and days later,
Emma died in New Hampshire.
1511
01:20:00,896 --> 01:20:03,030
And as we enter the home,
1512
01:20:03,097 --> 01:20:06,967
we can already feel the light after
the dark seance the night before.
1513
01:20:10,572 --> 01:20:12,105
[Sam]
Connecting with Elizabeth,
1514
01:20:12,107 --> 01:20:15,109
she's waiting at the stairs
to lead us upstairs.
1515
01:20:15,176 --> 01:20:17,044
She's got a little bit
of an edge to her,
1516
01:20:17,046 --> 01:20:19,413
but she still is grateful
that we're here.
1517
01:20:22,784 --> 01:20:25,452
When I first came to Maplecroft,
1518
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,122
this is where I connected
with her the first time.
1519
01:20:28,189 --> 01:20:33,194
And I picture a woman
looking out the window,
1520
01:20:33,261 --> 01:20:35,196
people mocking her
on the streets.
1521
01:20:35,263 --> 01:20:38,065
You know like, "You did it,
you did it," and her crying.
1522
01:20:38,133 --> 01:20:41,401
There is a lot of sadness
here, but a lot of joy as well.
1523
01:20:41,403 --> 01:20:44,071
This was her sanctuary. This
is where she threw parties,
1524
01:20:44,138 --> 01:20:45,539
and this is where
she kind of lived her life.
1525
01:20:45,607 --> 01:20:48,108
And she became the person
she wanted to be.
1526
01:20:49,611 --> 01:20:51,612
[Luann] It's like
after the murders,
1527
01:20:51,614 --> 01:20:55,082
the whole city
just turned against her.
1528
01:20:56,218 --> 01:20:59,687
It was a big thing for kids
to play pranks on her,
1529
01:20:59,754 --> 01:21:01,688
throw rocks at the window.
1530
01:21:01,690 --> 01:21:06,093
It was a thing for the kids
to actually go up to this door,
1531
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,295
knock on the door and run away.
1532
01:21:08,297 --> 01:21:11,198
So she'd come and open the
door and no one would be there.
1533
01:21:12,634 --> 01:21:15,236
[Dave] To be alive during
that time, to hear these things,
1534
01:21:15,303 --> 01:21:17,170
even though
you've been acquitted,
1535
01:21:17,172 --> 01:21:20,040
you believe yourself
to be innocent of this crime.
1536
01:21:20,042 --> 01:21:21,775
It's interesting,
she took a stand.
1537
01:21:21,777 --> 01:21:23,677
She could have run.
She could have gone anywhere.
1538
01:21:23,712 --> 01:21:25,246
She had the money.
1539
01:21:25,313 --> 01:21:28,782
But this was her home, and
she just moved blocks away,
1540
01:21:28,850 --> 01:21:32,519
resettled in the place she
knew as home, and owned it.
1541
01:21:32,587 --> 01:21:34,988
And that's...
you gotta give her that.
1542
01:21:34,990 --> 01:21:38,459
If anything lends to the idea
that she was innocent,
1543
01:21:38,526 --> 01:21:41,262
or at least believed herself
to be innocent of this crime,
1544
01:21:41,329 --> 01:21:44,164
why would you run,
if you feel you're innocent?
1545
01:21:45,667 --> 01:21:47,534
[Sam] When I first
communicated with her,
1546
01:21:47,536 --> 01:21:50,070
she mentioned the pears,
and there was a pear tree
1547
01:21:50,138 --> 01:21:52,940
in the backyard of
the Second Street home.
1548
01:21:52,942 --> 01:21:55,809
And we're gonna offer
a pear to Elizabeth.
1549
01:21:55,877 --> 01:21:58,145
We also have some old school,
1550
01:21:58,147 --> 01:22:00,948
dark chocolates for her as well.
1551
01:22:01,015 --> 01:22:04,418
And we're gonna leave it at the
spot where she, where she passed.
1552
01:22:06,888 --> 01:22:09,423
So this part of the house here
1553
01:22:09,490 --> 01:22:12,226
was where Elizabeth
lived later in life.
1554
01:22:12,293 --> 01:22:15,763
And when I see her,
I see her in this room.
1555
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:17,564
This is her sanctuary.
1556
01:22:17,566 --> 01:22:19,433
This is the area
where she was sleeping
1557
01:22:19,435 --> 01:22:21,402
when she passed peacefully.
1558
01:22:23,238 --> 01:22:26,106
[Dave] Did she ever find
happiness in her life?
1559
01:22:27,575 --> 01:22:31,078
[Sam] In my thoughts,
I believe that she did.
1560
01:22:32,246 --> 01:22:35,049
She was able to express
herself through music.
1561
01:22:35,116 --> 01:22:37,584
She loved music,
she loved animals,
1562
01:22:37,586 --> 01:22:40,187
and she took what came
into her life,
1563
01:22:40,189 --> 01:22:43,523
the money that came
from the deaths in her family,
1564
01:22:43,525 --> 01:22:46,059
and actually gave a lot
of money to help animals,
1565
01:22:46,061 --> 01:22:48,595
and that's something that,
when I came into this house,
1566
01:22:48,597 --> 01:22:51,432
I learned about
a different cousin.
1567
01:22:51,466 --> 01:22:53,067
Elizabeth,
I just want to thank you
1568
01:22:53,134 --> 01:22:55,202
for allowing us into your story.
1569
01:22:55,269 --> 01:22:58,672
And I hope that we did
justice for you in doing so.
1570
01:22:58,674 --> 01:23:01,875
I hope that with
what we were able to do,
1571
01:23:01,943 --> 01:23:04,077
we can bring some peace
to you and your family,
1572
01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:07,347
and you can all finally get
the rest that you deserve.
1573
01:23:07,349 --> 01:23:10,117
[Chris] Keep hearing whispering,
like, "Thank you, thank you."
1574
01:23:11,753 --> 01:23:13,286
You know,
we did something last night
1575
01:23:13,288 --> 01:23:16,590
at the other house that
I'd like to wrap up with here.
1576
01:23:16,592 --> 01:23:17,925
And it's just a quick prayer.
1577
01:23:20,996 --> 01:23:24,331
Lord, we just ask that you
surround this house in healing,
1578
01:23:24,399 --> 01:23:26,400
and a thorny hedge
of protection,
1579
01:23:26,402 --> 01:23:30,404
to keep it safe and the
souls that reside here safe.
1580
01:23:30,406 --> 01:23:33,874
Please open the gateways,
bring forth the light,
1581
01:23:33,941 --> 01:23:37,611
bring forth family members
in peace and forgiveness,
1582
01:23:37,678 --> 01:23:40,514
so that any spirits that are
lost may find their way home.
1583
01:23:41,883 --> 01:23:44,885
We beg of you to give peace
to the Borden family,
1584
01:23:44,952 --> 01:23:48,956
their ancestors and to lift
the curse of the Borden family.
1585
01:23:57,565 --> 01:24:00,901
[sinister music playing]
1586
01:24:10,445 --> 01:24:17,184
♪ Lizzie Borden took an ax
and gave her mother 40 whacks ♪
1587
01:24:17,186 --> 01:24:22,489
♪ When she saw what she had
done She gave her father 41 ♪